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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 19:53:22 GMT -5
Hey Commish i'm loving this, debates are always fun i personally don't have a problem with the money, what bothers me is that a player in his walk year, having a 368/479/421 slashline and a 1.9 WAR as of today, being known for a very high greed and intelligence and a low desire for win wouldn't sign an extension in the middle of the season, it's unrealistic, there is no way he would do that, players don't like to negotiate extensions in the middle of the season as it is, Esteves would never do it, with his personality Its not my place to determine when a player would do it or not. I know what you're saying but that's too much work. Well i believe Isaac shouldn't simply negotiate whenever the GM makes an extension offer, players won't negotiate in the middle of the season specially players with Esteves personality they just won't, that should be a factor
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Aug 19, 2015 20:01:16 GMT -5
And remember that when you have a player you wan to sign to an extension but I say no its not a good time for him and you reply with 'but I'm taking a week vacation, will miss 4 sims (28 days in game time) and I'll lose chance to sign him.
WAY to many variables for that type of stuff and one that would cause a big dissension amongst the league. Why did he sign but I can't sign my guy, etc...
Disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 20:15:24 GMT -5
It's a simple fact, big Free Agents to be players don't sign an extension in the middle of the season period it doesn't happen, specially in this circunstance
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Post by Tim_KCRoyalsGM on Aug 19, 2015 20:24:02 GMT -5
It's a simple fact, big Free Agents to be players don't sign an extension in the middle of the season period it doesn't happen, specially in this circunstance Derek already addressed this. Sometimes, we must sacrifice just a little realism to make the game playable in our environment. If I'm going with the Zevin approach. .. then I want contracts negotiated around my availability somewhat. Unlike a REAL gm... I have another job. It would be too much for Derek to hold do many discussions to same time of year just to feed our sense of realism.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 20:36:22 GMT -5
I understand where you guys are coming from here, but to me when it comes to marquee players in their contract years, you don't negotiate an extension in the middle of the season, but i'm okay with it
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Aug 19, 2015 20:41:07 GMT -5
Hey Commish i'm loving this, debates are always fun i personally don't have a problem with the money, what bothers me is that a player in his walk year, having a 368/479/421 slashline and a 1.9 WAR as of today, being known for a very high greed and intelligence and a low desire for win wouldn't sign an extension in the middle of the season, it's unrealistic, there is no way he would do that, players don't like to negotiate extensions in the middle of the season as it is, Esteves would never do it, with his personality Who says players don't like to negotiate extensions during the season?
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Aug 19, 2015 20:42:20 GMT -5
I understand where you guys are coming from here, but to me when it comes to marquee players in their contract years, you don't negotiate an extension in the middle of the season, but i'm okay with it And those star players don't want to wait until October to negotiate. If you haven't approached them all season, they aren't gonna give you the time of day with free agency right around the corner.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 20:45:40 GMT -5
Man players don't negotiate after the season starts when it comes to marquee FA, could you imagine the Jays announcing that Price has signed an extension right now or Zimmerman signing one or Cueto it doesn't happen
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Post by AstrosGM_Shane on Aug 19, 2015 21:06:43 GMT -5
Man players don't negotiate after the season starts when it comes to marquee FA, could you imagine the Jays announcing that Price has signed an extension right now or Zimmerman signing one or Cueto it doesn't happen Can you imagine the commish having all the time in the world to handle all extension requests in the amount of time that was realistic in the mlb? I'm probably one of the more impatient gms out there but I get it that zevin can't answer the call every waking breath.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 21:12:04 GMT -5
Completely throwing thus out there but would be nice to see a former GM such as Nick or someone else working as Isaac only it would helpout the Commishxa lot but just speaking it from the back of my head
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Post by craigWhiteSox on Aug 19, 2015 21:17:54 GMT -5
I agree with KC. If we're doing it through Zevin, which I like, then it should be whenever the two parties can, especially for the reason of Zevin negotiating with 32 teams. With 25 guys on each team. If there was a 2 month window from mid September to mid November it would be impossible to do. Again echoing KC you have to give on small details of realism sometimes in order to make the big picture run congruent and therefore realistic
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Post by craigWhiteSox on Aug 19, 2015 21:21:49 GMT -5
Completely throwing thus out there but would be nice to see a former GM such as Nick or someone else working as Isaac only it would helpout the Commishxa lot but just speaking it from the back of my head Ifs and buts and candy and nuts. Obviously that would be optimal, everything can't always work out perfectly. You're showing your youth, let the old and wise lead
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 21:21:58 GMT -5
Yeah i understand you guys and frankly i'm cool with it
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Aug 19, 2015 22:57:31 GMT -5
Completely throwing thus out there but would be nice to see a former GM such as Nick or someone else working as Isaac only it would helpout the Commishxa lot but just speaking it from the back of my head Ifs and buts and candy and nuts. Obviously that would be optimal, everything can't always work out perfectly. You're showing your youth, let the old and wise lead Hey now, I disagree with Emax on this one but saying that newer members should just let older members decide on league wide issues because they are "wise" is just not a smart way to run anything. New members bring new ideas and perspectives, and that isn't a bad thing.
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Post by Nick_BrewersGM on Aug 20, 2015 0:09:59 GMT -5
These two comments are both ridiculous and falsely informed and mentioned without proper information. "The market trend for extending players especially elite starting pitchers is to pay the guys a lot of money because we are still in the initial stages of Zevin believe it or not and eventually teams WON'T be able to pay $30m for a pitcher, no matter how good and they will hit the market. "
"There is going to be a time when a team says, its not realistic for me to pay this guy the money and he will be traded and eventually hit the FA market."
i wasn't just making it up when describing Zevins objective you said the market trend for extending players will eventually lead to teams not being able to sign superstar players (pitchers especially and I agree there should be a premium paid for starters.) My argument is this: Jimenez is younger and is more valuable statistically (6.1 WAR vs 5.3 WAR) than taylor so if taylor is asking for the league record for pitchers AAV than Stanton Jimenez should be asking for more than just above average of what 2nd basemen or 3rd basemen make. And its not even just AAV, 6 years much more team friendly then 8 years. Its 2 less years committed to the back end of a deal when a player will be in his late 30s and most likely substantially less valuable...idk i really don't think I'm crazy to think this but maybe i am The Position breakdowns argument is flawed: MLB salary averages are like that because certain positions are stronger offensively. for example 1st basemen are typically stronger hitters than SS. if albert pujols played shortstop he'd make equally as much. Mike trout would make equally as much if he played left field or 1st base or SS etc. Players are paid based on their production not based on position and according to WAR stanton Jimenez is more productive than every position player except for 4 other players. Shortstops aren't making less because they are shortstops and fall under that bracket of pay, they are making less because statically they aren't as good offensively in the MLB. Less Shortstops have 30 Homers than 1st basemen etc. thats why they get paid less. If there was a .300/.389/.315 Player in the MLB he'd be getting paid same no matter what position he played but what your saying is Stanton Jimenez deserves 6 yrs $109.5 Million because he's a 2B/3B and thats the market value of 2B/3B but if he was an outfielder he'd deserve 7 years $163 million? thats not how salaries work. Production gets paid regardless of position.
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