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Post by Tim_KCRoyalsGM on Jun 25, 2014 21:20:46 GMT -5
Submitted by Montreal Expos:
"Also, if someone wants to take a stab at a new set of draft rules (consensus seems to be to do set draft times) I'd appreciate it."
ALL DISCUSSION TOPICS OPEN THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT, JULY 6th.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 6:20:30 GMT -5
I've been a proponent of this, but maybe there is an even easier option.
1) On 2 successive nights we draft in game the first two rounds plus supplemental
2) On the third night the rest of the draft
This eliminates the need for anyone to auto picks or nag GM's. It eliminates virtually all work surrounding the draft. In the past we have drafted on the boards to encourage discussion, but there can still be a discussion thread after the beginning rounds. Yes, it is a pause in the simming of games, but a short one.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Jun 26, 2014 8:33:10 GMT -5
I've been a proponent of this, but maybe there is an even easier option. 1) On 2 successive nights we draft in game the first two rounds plus supplemental 2) On the third night the rest of the draft This eliminates the need for anyone to auto picks or nag GM's. It eliminates virtually all work surrounding the draft. In the past we have drafted on the boards to encourage discussion, but there can still be a discussion thread after the beginning rounds. Yes, it is a pause in the simming of games, but a short one. Sent from my Nexus 7 using proboards Im against this. Its unfair for teams picking late in the rounds having to create draft lists 30 deep each day/night.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 8:49:21 GMT -5
I had a league that used Statslab. I know people here are against it, but It is more efficient.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 9:02:38 GMT -5
What are we trying to achieve? The draft works well now, there are no problems with it.
What could be worse? Statslab is not good for drafts. It is very difficult to sort in many browsers, I have never experienced a Statslab draft without arguments from GMs saying it made the wrong pick (hard to do on the boards!) time zones make it harder for some GMs in later rounds, you have to make your draft lists in game anyway so it is just an extra thing to do, GMs who aren't interested still take the maximum time before being auto'd so it doesn't speed things up, email spam and more.
Knock-ons. None.
We have the best draft I know of here already, the only problems are GMs not sending a list to Sam. If they aren't sending Sam lists, why on earth do we think they will make lists somewhere else.
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Post by Commish_Ron on Jun 26, 2014 10:04:09 GMT -5
We have the best draft I know of here already, the only problems are GMs not sending a list to Sam. If they aren't sending Sam lists, why on earth do we think they will make lists somewhere else. I don't think a structured draft would help make people get more lists in, it would just keep us moving when it happens. I don't feel this has to be fixed. We always seem to get those last picks in just under the gun. As far as I can recall we have not had to postpone sims. On the other hand I do get far less engaged in the draft when it stalls for days. I would vote yes for draft time slots but I acknowledge that it is a personal preference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 11:59:20 GMT -5
We have the best draft I know of here already, the only problems are GMs not sending a list to Sam. If they aren't sending Sam lists, why on earth do we think they will make lists somewhere else. I guess my response would be screw em. That's what we're getting at with scheduled times anyway. We're tired of irresponsible gm's holding up the draft. Plain and simple, there is virtually no reason to leave 31 others hanging for large periods of time. Communication these days is quite easy. POSTED FROM MY PHONE.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 12:31:23 GMT -5
We always easily get through all the good players, going a couple of rounds+supplemental. We can instead add a load of rules, that will irritate and be annoying to administer, in order to.... what? Going a couple of rounds anyway.
I'm happy to say screw em to those holding things up, quicker autos wouldn't be a problem with me, but really, is the third round on the boards really worth adding a load of rules for?
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Post by Commish_Ron on Jun 26, 2014 12:51:28 GMT -5
We always easily get through all the good players, going a couple of rounds+supplemental. We can instead add a load of rules, that will irritate and be annoying to administer, in order to.... what? Going a couple of rounds anyway. I'm happy to say screw em to those holding things up, quicker autos wouldn't be a problem with me, but really, is the third round on the boards really worth adding a load of rules for? I have not seen anyone recommending adding a third round. I would be opposed to that as well. Here is my argument for a structured draft. It is not fair to require short windows of time based on when the last pick happened. We should not expect managers to constantly monitor the boards to be aware when they are up. In the current format that consideration often leads to long delays before an auto pick happens. In a structured draft with specified time slots that are published well ahead of time, any manager that is remotely engaged should be able to plan for their pick by either showing up at their scheduled time or making arrangements in advance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 15:09:53 GMT -5
No-one recommended a third round, my point was that we already do two rounds on the board, so if changing the set up to make more rules and administration, we will in fact gain nothing as we will still get through two rounds.
It seems another solution to a problem that doesn't exist to me. No-one has ever (to my knowledge) missed a pick because there was a rush of many picks in a short space of time and they slept through it. Not least, because without set times, Sam takes time zones into account. Fixed time slots just means a slower draft as teams won't check as often, which as well as the hassle is another reason to say this makes things worse.
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Post by Tim_KCRoyalsGM on Jun 27, 2014 11:05:55 GMT -5
I can see both sides here. Ron and I are in another league that does time slots and it runs smooth as silk every time. On the other hand, Rob is right when he says we do always get through the draft in time... so I guess there is no problem to fix. My personal preference is time slots... but this league may run smoother without that hassle.
Tim / KC
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Post by AstrosGM_Shane on Jun 27, 2014 11:29:32 GMT -5
I can see both points here, but ultimately Rob is right, we have never had any problems getting through two rounds. We are losing Sam this year though, so I don't know if that changes anything. Can anybody our new draft guru? Because Sam was the one responsible for us getting through those first two rounds each year. Sorry if I missed somebody already volunteering to pick that up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 2:10:17 GMT -5
I was in a league a while ago that used a pretty easy draft system through the forum that would work in the PBL, too ... at least I think so.
Say the draft starts at Monday, 8 a.m.
So the Commish (or whoever) posts the draft order
Team 1, 8 a.m. Team 2, 9 a.m. etc.
Everybody knows when his pick will be up, can pick sooner if the guy ahead already picked or can send a list when he thinks he won't be around to make his selection.
If a guy does noch pick by that time he will get an auto-pick ...
By making your pick you simply quote the original message and overwrite your draft time with your pick.
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Post by Tim_KCRoyalsGM on Jul 1, 2014 21:10:50 GMT -5
I was in a league a while ago that used a pretty easy draft system through the forum that would work in the PBL, too ... at least I think so. Say the draft starts at Monday, 8 a.m. So the Commish (or whoever) posts the draft order Team 1, 8 a.m. Team 2, 9 a.m. etc. Everybody knows when his pick will be up, can pick sooner if the guy ahead already picked or can send a list when he thinks he won't be around to make his selection. If a guy does noch pick by that time he will get an auto-pick ... By making your pick you simply quote the original message and overwrite your draft time with your pick. Yes. This is exactly what Ron and I do in another league as well... time slots work great, and I'd love to see it here as my personal preference. That being said... each league is different, and it may not be that popular in this league. Tim / KC
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Post by AstrosGM_Shane on Jul 1, 2014 22:27:01 GMT -5
If we went with a time slot, we really have to be aware of GMs being in completely different time zones.
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