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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 0:42:11 GMT -5
I am in a different time zone ... and I didn't have a problem in the league that used it.
I usually go to bed when it's 5 or 6 p.m. Eastern ... and when I saw my pick coming up during the night over here I sent a short list to the Commish - no problem at all.
But certainly, everybody has to pay attention, no doubt about that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 1:41:44 GMT -5
But certainly, everybody has to pay attention, no doubt about that. And if they can do that, there is no problem with the current set up either.
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Post by Tim_KCRoyalsGM on Jul 2, 2014 8:17:37 GMT -5
But certainly, everybody has to pay attention, no doubt about that. And if they can do that, there is no problem with the current set up either. Actually, I don't agree... respectfully. If in another time zone, you still know EXACTLY when your pick is going to be due. You can plan accordingly. Without time slots, you have to keep checking, and checking, and checking... on and on. Why not check just as close to your scheduled time as possible based on your schedule? It's quick, easy... and just make a list if necessary like the Brew Crew said. Just a thought. Tim / KC
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 8:34:04 GMT -5
I still think this is a solution looking for a problem. We always go 2 rounds and by the end all interest is gone anyway. We won't go more with this, so why go through the hassle and annoyance of this
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Jul 2, 2014 8:41:17 GMT -5
If the person who drafts sends a PM to the person up next, thats the easiest way. Sam would do this but then you know exactly when youre up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 8:42:44 GMT -5
How could this make the league better?
Get through more rounds on the boards? No Stop people missing picks? No, no GM has ever missed their pick due to a run of quick picks in the history of PBL. Any other outcome that is better than our previous drafts (more interest, speed, activity)? None I can think of.
How could this make the league worse?
Slow down the draft with people not checking the boards and waiting for their slot? Yes Slow down the draft with people not sending lists as they know they can wait for their slot? Yes
The only benefit I can think of is for GMs who only very rarely check the boards once every few days, so they know which day to look. I'm not sure we should be encouraging that approach.
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Post by Commish_Ron on Jul 2, 2014 10:16:16 GMT -5
I disagree that this slows down the draft. It is true that we get runs of picks but we consistently stall for large chunks of time. Time slots guaranty that we complete the draft in a matter of days. Not weeks.
As I have stated before, I am lobbying for this change for selfish reasons. I would like to be more engaged in the draft but I lose interest when we repeatedly stall for extended periods of time. If I am in the minority then this is a very minor detraction from a phenomenal league. I will easily live with it.
One other consideration. With the tragic loss of Sam from the PBL I have not seen anyone volunteer to step up and take his role. I would be willing to manage the draft with time slots. However I am not comfortable making auto picks or being the judge on how long we should reasonably give a GM to make his pick.
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Post by Luc_AZdbacks on Jul 2, 2014 11:54:00 GMT -5
I would like to see the structured draft process as well. It is frustrating when we have 24 hrs go by without a pick, and as Tomas said, timezones really don't matter as long as you know exactly when you are going to pick, as you can just send a list in.
I really feel like this format could make for a faster, more organized and engaging draft.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 11:55:43 GMT -5
But we would still have 24 hours without a pick? In fact, maybe longer if there are several picks in quick succession but then we have to wait days for the GM who waits for his slot.
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Post by Commish_Ron on Jul 2, 2014 12:16:48 GMT -5
If we did one hour time slots I would be stunned if we got 20 picks ahead. If that was the case we would be no worse off than we are now when we wait the 24 hours allowed before Sam makes an auto pick. Additionally, one 24 hour wait and we are back on track. There have been times recently when we have a 12-24 hour wait, then 1-3 picks get made, then we stall again and then again after that.
The one hour slot also is up for debate. Obviously things would move quicker with a 1/2 hour time slot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 12:50:35 GMT -5
One hour time slots? That would make things far worse. If I go to work at the start of the day, I need to make a list of 12 guys? And who controls it, they have to be online every single hour to auto if someone misses their hour?
But mostly, what is the point? 12 picks in 12 hours for what? We don't want to do more than 2 rounds, why the rush, hassle, much higher risk of auto picks etc just to do the same number of rounds.
We would finish the draft in a few days (April in-game) and just leave the draft sitting there until June in-game?
This has no benefit to anyone, but plenty of downside.
Benefits - the only one I can see is you can plan when you pick in order to visit the boards less - something we should strive to avoid.
Disbenefits - many more auto picks as people won't make mega lists, complete hassle to administer, we race through the draft in less than a week and sit there for 2 game months before it can be input (in the mean time, comp picks get signed etc and it all goes screwy), people visit the boards less, no time for discussion.
Again, in the history of PBL we have never had a need for this. This is something that serves no purpose, improves nothing, and potentially makes things worse. We don't get through more rounds because we don't want to, we don't have less autos - in fact we have more - we have a harder to run draft, we have lots more sitting around doing nothing (the 2 months of nothing between April and June). We just race through the draft, making picking harder unless you happen to be online that one hour you are allotted without work or sleep, for no reason?
I'm not trying to argue for the sake of it, I just see problems created in order to solve something that has always worked fine.
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Post by Commish_Ron on Jul 2, 2014 13:37:36 GMT -5
There is one concept to the time slot drafts that you are missing. If someone does not get their pick done in time, there is no auto pick. It just opens the opportunity for the next person in line to make a pick. If anyone has been jumped, no one can make their pick until their time slot begins. If you missed your pick you can pop on and make it at any point from the remaining pool of players.
I am enjoying this discussion. I believe in this concept and think we can make it work. To your concerns.
1) Taking a 12 man list to work. Ok. How about if we do 6 picks a day for 12 days?
2) Leaving the draft idle. How about if we start the draft later? I kind of like that anyway as it would narrow the window of problems with Comp Eligible players affecting the supplemental draft. It also could give teams time to get finances in order to sign big time rookies with a high signing bonus demand.
3) More auto picks. Addressed above.
4) Hassle to administer. I would argue this is WAY easier to administer than our current format. Especially with Sam out of the mix.
5) People visiting the boards less. I don't see this as an issue. Draft occurs during the season while sims are happening. I think people will still be on the boards for sim schedule and for those discussions.
6) Less conversation about draft. At 6 picks a day I think there is plenty of time to discuss.
In my opinion benefits are, easier to administer. No one has to make auto pick decisions for other franchises. Coaches know way in advance when their picks are due so it should be easier to plan for. No brutal stalling.
Like I said, in contrast to what it may seem I am truly not passionate about this change. I just think it can work and am enjoying the debate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 15:08:11 GMT -5
Just skipping picks is even worse, because it means that less active teams suffer, making them unfillable in the long run when the GM leaves (which is more likely if his pick is passed over). We would just be massively rushing things for no benefit.
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Post by Commish_Ron on Jul 2, 2014 15:25:05 GMT -5
You make a very good point. It may be that a franchise with a GM that is already not engaged and on the way out would further decline in value and make it even harder for the next GM. Probably even make it harder to find a replacement. If that outweighs the pros then so be it. I agree that auto picking in time slots would be a nightmare. I don't think this works if franchises are not leapfrogged if they miss their slot.
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Post by Tim_KCRoyalsGM on Jul 2, 2014 15:44:48 GMT -5
I like ron's idea of 6 picks a day as a compromise. Think of this. .. Can a person really complain about making a 6 man list. .. Really? Also. .. Ron and I can't be the only people out there who have genuinely lost interest come Draft time when it stalls and stalls.
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