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Post by earlweaver on Jul 4, 2016 10:13:19 GMT -5
Scouts are pure luck in OOTP.
In a league I played in, They have scouts on. I made a list of 20 players for the draft and got 8 of them through 4 rounds. Another guy posted he got his top 3 players on his list. TOP 3!!!! That means everyone sees these players so differently, that to me the game is broken.
Scouts in real life can see talent. There is a difference in what they see, but Two scouts don't see a the same player as a 5 star guy and a 1 star guy. OOTP does, which to me is dumb luck
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Post by Sean..Mariners GM on Jul 4, 2016 12:25:55 GMT -5
I'm in Anthony's league and I was against scouting also. It was turned on and it is very enjoyable. I think it all depends on the scout you get. Just like in real life, different scouts see prospects differently. Like Anthony said, we pretty much know who is going to be picked in the draft and after about half way through the second round the draft is stale. Scouts are pure luck in OOTP. In a league I played in, They have scouts on. I made a list of 20 players for the draft and got 8 of them through 4 rounds. Another guy posted he got his top 3 players on his list. TOP 3!!!! That means everyone sees these players so differently, that to me the game is broken. Scouts in real life can see talent. There is a difference in what they see, but Two scouts don't see a the same player as a 5 star guy and a 1 star guy. OOTP does, which to me is dumb luck Sure, the guy got the top 3 on his list. Not all scouts are good scouts either. Scouts have different ratings in the game also all the way from legendary to poor in each of the scouting categories and what his preference is. Plus, how much you spend. There are so many variables that I don't think it's as much of a crap shoot as everyone thinks.
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Post by Tim_GiantsGM on Jul 4, 2016 13:47:32 GMT -5
The PBL and its ratings and scouting have been what they are for a very long time and are a part of what makes the league what it is. I think that element is just fine. Scouts have just messed everything up in the leagues I've been in that have had them. I have found the use of scouts plus less than perfect evaluations in my other league provides an additional element that I really like. I may view the evaluation of the OSA, which is the equivalent of our current system, and I may view the evaluation of my scout. Often the two are very close, but sometimes the evaluations of my scout are more optimistic or more pessimistic than the OSA. I must decide which I trust more than the other. Maybe a rough average of the two is in order. Regardless, the use of scouts provides an additional level of depth and intrigue I enjoy. I think we might have fun with the use of scouts in the PBL. I believe we at least should consider the possibility and decide whether to use them in our league.
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Post by earlweaver on Jul 4, 2016 14:34:44 GMT -5
I'm in Anthony's league and I was against scouting also. It was turned on and it is very enjoyable. I think it all depends on the scout you get. Just like in real life, different scouts see prospects differently. Like Anthony said, we pretty much know who is going to be picked in the draft and after about half way through the second round the draft is stale. Scouts are pure luck in OOTP. In a league I played in, They have scouts on. I made a list of 20 players for the draft and got 8 of them through 4 rounds. Another guy posted he got his top 3 players on his list. TOP 3!!!! That means everyone sees these players so differently, that to me the game is broken. Scouts in real life can see talent. There is a difference in what they see, but Two scouts don't see a the same player as a 5 star guy and a 1 star guy. OOTP does, which to me is dumb luck Sure, the guy got the top 3 on his list. Not all scouts are good scouts either. Scouts have different ratings in the game also all the way from legendary to poor in each of the scouting categories and what his preference is. Plus, how much you spend. There are so many variables that I don't think it's as much of a crap shoot as everyone thinks. All the scouts had the same rating in this game. The playing field was made even to start. My point is... In OOTP, the scouting is so ALL OVER THE PLACE. One scout sees 3 guys as amazing, but every other scout sees these guys as not good enough to take in 4 rounds....That to me is a terrible application of the scouting feature. How can this scout see these guys so differently then everyone else. How can my scout see the top 20 players, and have every other scout miss on these guys..... To me, that's just pure luck.....hate it In all likelyhood, either my scout is wrong, or the rest of the league scouts is wrong. Which translates to scouts in this game can't recognize talent in a realistic matter.
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Post by earlweaver on Jul 4, 2016 14:47:53 GMT -5
This is how my scout sees the 12th pick in the draft. Here's how my scout sees 14th. I don't see the strategy here. If my scout is right, the scouts that loved these guys are complete morons. If my scout is wrong, and i had a chance to pick these guys, i would have never considered them as they look awful. Theres no strategy there. I didn't make a decision or have to make a decision. It looks like dumb luck to me.
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Post by BlueJaysGM_Fin on Jul 4, 2016 16:41:28 GMT -5
We will begin again on Tuesday, July 5th. If you know anyone interested in becoming a GM, now is the time to join. Also if you are a proven member of the PBL and have interest in taking over a second franchise UNTIL new ownership is found shoot me a PM. The following teams did not reply to the roll call: •Arizona Diamondbacks •Montreal Expos •Chicago Cubs •New York Yankees •Washington Nationals However based on recent activity, I am going to assume the following GMs will be back for another season: Arizona, Montreal and NY Yankees. I will reach out via PM to confirm this but as of now those teams will not be filled. With that said that means I am placing the Cubs and Nationals as vacant at this time due to inactivity. CONFIRMED VACANT:•Chicago Cubs •Chicago White Sox •Kansas City Royals •Tampa Bay Rays •Washington Nationals CLAIMED TEAMS:
•Minnesota Twins - Claimed by Randy (Nick is sole GM of Cleveland now) •San Diego Padres - Claimed by Ron Finally, Now is the time to talk about rule changes, in game changes, settings, promotions,, ANYTHING!!!! Lets get PBL back to being way above everyone else, no time to rest... Sorry to see Tim-Royals depart the league. He was a good dude.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Jul 4, 2016 17:45:10 GMT -5
This is how my scout sees the 12th pick in the draft. Here's how my scout sees 14th. I don't see the strategy here. If my scout is right, the scouts that loved these guys are complete morons. If my scout is wrong, and i had a chance to pick these guys, i would have never considered them as they look awful. Theres no strategy there. I didn't make a decision or have to make a decision. It looks like dumb luck to me. Not trying to get into the middle of this, but John I have "my scout" (new this season for the Angels after we finally have a couple of bucks to spend on one) sent to ONLY Internationals (100% cash). Do you do the same with your scout, if you are willing to share of course? I'm not sure that would give the best analysis, given the draftees are not IAFA's?? 1-10 gives plenty of "fog of war," which is reduced IMHO should we adopt either 20-80 or especially the suggestion of 1-100. I find that, at that point, you're just lining up numbers if you're trying to make a trade. The scouts would inject a little/lot more "fog of war!" Could be a good or bad thing, as we can see, depending on interpretation.
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Post by earlweaver on Jul 4, 2016 17:57:00 GMT -5
This is from a different league David. I love the scouting for internationals like we have right now in PBL.
This league uses scout accuracy as normal, and set all the scouts to good across the board. I believe i used the default set up for scouting money...
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Post by David_ExposGM on Jul 4, 2016 18:00:23 GMT -5
Ahh. Understood. Never mind. Like I said, just sitting on the sidelines watching the discussion.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Jul 4, 2016 18:22:02 GMT -5
20 something teams passed on Mike Trout in the draft. So im not quite sure I understand how MLB drafting isn't a "crapshoot" or "lucky"... Why does PBL need to be so easy?
Scouts don't view players the same. The same could be said in every sport.
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Post by NickP_Marlins GM on Jul 4, 2016 18:23:41 GMT -5
We will begin again on Tuesday, July 5th. If you know anyone interested in becoming a GM, now is the time to join. Also if you are a proven member of the PBL and have interest in taking over a second franchise UNTIL new ownership is found shoot me a PM. The following teams did not reply to the roll call: •Arizona Diamondbacks •Montreal Expos •Chicago Cubs •New York Yankees •Washington Nationals However based on recent activity, I am going to assume the following GMs will be back for another season: Arizona, Montreal and NY Yankees. I will reach out via PM to confirm this but as of now those teams will not be filled. With that said that means I am placing the Cubs and Nationals as vacant at this time due to inactivity. CONFIRMED VACANT:•Chicago Cubs •Chicago White Sox •Kansas City Royals •Tampa Bay Rays •Washington Nationals CLAIMED TEAMS:
•Minnesota Twins - Claimed by Randy (Nick is sole GM of Cleveland now) •San Diego Padres - Claimed by Ron Finally, Now is the time to talk about rule changes, in game changes, settings, promotions,, ANYTHING!!!! Lets get PBL back to being way above everyone else, no time to rest... Sorry to see Tim-Royals depart the league. He was a good dude. I felt the same when I saw KC open. Loved how he turned them around with his own GM style.
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Post by Texas Rangers on Jul 4, 2016 18:43:51 GMT -5
20 something teams passed on Mike Trout in the draft. So im not quite sure I understand how MLB drafting isn't a "crapshoot" or "lucky"... Why does PBL need to be so easy? Scouts don't view players the same. The same could be said in every sport. Trout was a first rounder, so you know that isn't what he meant. Scouting in ootp sucks when it's not 100% accurate. The examples he provided detail that. The absolute facts are that among drafted players in real life, most of the good ones were high picks. PBL isn't easy, otherwise there wouldn't be the teams taking a decade to get good. If we switch we're changing the game to be far more luck based.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Jul 4, 2016 20:23:02 GMT -5
20 something teams passed on Mike Trout in the draft. So im not quite sure I understand how MLB drafting isn't a "crapshoot" or "lucky"... Why does PBL need to be so easy? Scouts don't view players the same. The same could be said in every sport. Trout was a first rounder, so you know that isn't what he meant. Scouting in ootp sucks when it's not 100% accurate. The examples he provided detail that. The absolute facts are that among drafted players in real life, most of the good ones were high picks. PBL isn't easy, otherwise there wouldn't be the teams taking a decade to get good. If we switch we're changing the game to be far more luck based. He pointed out a 12th overall pick and a 14th overall pick, so how is that not what he meant?
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Post by earlweaver on Jul 4, 2016 20:26:55 GMT -5
20 something teams passed on Mike Trout in the draft. So im not quite sure I understand how MLB drafting isn't a "crapshoot" or "lucky"... Why does PBL need to be so easy? Scouts don't view players the same. The same could be said in every sport. Yes, good point. I would say that's more of how he developed at that point. The draft is basically a best guess at who will be the best and draft accordingly. Guys who develop better then others doesn't mean scouts missed on them, or scouts made a mistake. Sometime, many times, players get much better, or stall, and all that, and you know that. I'd put Trout in the category of a man who got alot better, fairly quickly, better then most people expected or thought. That happens in OOTP, but I would guess that all scouts, every single one of them, thought he was a good player. I doubt very much Trout was ever viewed as a 1 star or half star guy by scouts, because in real life, talent is talent, and the game just doesn't emulate that well IMO
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Post by Texas Rangers on Jul 4, 2016 21:20:37 GMT -5
20 something teams passed on Mike Trout in the draft. So im not quite sure I understand how MLB drafting isn't a "crapshoot" or "lucky"... Why does PBL need to be so easy? Scouts don't view players the same. The same could be said in every sport. Yes, good point. I would say that's more of how he developed at that point. The draft is basically a best guess at who will be the best and draft accordingly. Guys who develop better then others doesn't mean scouts missed on them, or scouts made a mistake. Sometime, many times, players get much better, or stall, and all that, and you know that. I'd put Trout in the category of a man who got alot better, fairly quickly, better then most people expected or thought. That happens in OOTP, but I would guess that all scouts, every single one of them, thought he was a good player. I doubt very much Trout was ever viewed as a 1 star or half star guy by scouts, because in real life, talent is talent, and the game just doesn't emulate that well IMOThis is why I agree with Baltimore so adamantly.
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