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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 7:25:14 GMT -5
The only time you see an ace pitcher is when a small market club cant afford him. We shouldnt be expecting a perennial all star to be in the free agent market. Strongly agree with this. Sent from my Nexus 7 using proboards
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Apr 23, 2014 7:32:41 GMT -5
Anthony, not expecting stars to hit the market every offseason but if your telling me the PBL has just as many stars hitting the FA market than MLB then your just out of your mind. There is a legitimate chance that John Lester and Max Scherzer both hit the FA market this coming off-season and both pitchers are going to get between $100-150m.
Tomas, your right we got other pressing issues but that does NOT mean we can't discuss multiple issue. I didn't know we only had to fix 1 per off-season. Lets hammer out as many issues as we can because once baseball starts people go on lockdown about discussions until the off-season and once the off-season gets here people forget about the issues we had during the season.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Apr 23, 2014 7:45:22 GMT -5
I didnt say that but both of those guys are Scott Boras clients if im not mistaken. Of course they are going to free agency. Until OOTP can implement some sort of agent system, i dont see a reason to make a change until we see how v15 handles negotiations.
We were increasing the amount all players would roughly get in the league setting, did the 2nd increase happen?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 7:50:10 GMT -5
Tomas, your right we got other pressing issues but that does NOT mean we can't discuss multiple issue. I didn't know we only had to fix 1 per off-season. Lets hammer out as many issues as we can because once baseball starts people go on lockdown about discussions until the off-season and once the off-season gets here people forget about the issues we had during the season.Agreed, that's why I said it. Team options don't really need to be fixed. We did that a few seasons ago. I haven't heard anyone complain about them lately unless I missed something. I'm worried we'll soon continue simming before we made rulings on the important issues.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Apr 23, 2014 7:53:34 GMT -5
I'm in no rush to sim until we get things figured out. I'm not liking a few things and discussions aren't really existing.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Apr 23, 2014 7:54:42 GMT -5
I didnt say that but both of those guys are Scott Boras clients if im not mistaken. Of course they are going to free agency. Until OOTP can implement some sort of agent system, i dont see a reason to make a change until we see how v15 handles negotiations. We were increasing the amount all players would roughly get in the league setting, did the 2nd increase happen? The second increase will happen this off-season. This is the problem I have. Anytime we try to make changes it ALWAYS reverts back to real life. Now we can't make changes in some areas until OOTP deals with agents?!?
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Apr 23, 2014 9:10:22 GMT -5
I didnt say that but both of those guys are Scott Boras clients if im not mistaken. Of course they are going to free agency. Until OOTP can implement some sort of agent system, i dont see a reason to make a change until we see how v15 handles negotiations. We were increasing the amount all players would roughly get in the league setting, did the 2nd increase happen? The second increase will happen this off-season. This is the problem I have. Anytime we try to make changes it ALWAYS reverts back to real life. Now we can't make changes in some areas until OOTP deals with agents?!? I dont see a problem with the 25% which PBL (and SBL) are the only leagues ive seen use this. It adds realism. I just dont see this as a problem that needs addressing. Increasing the player demands in the game engine will help add free agents to the pool. As last year showed it was the first year in a long time that not a lot of teams had excess money floating around (first time since we manually adjusted budgets) I think there are more pressing issues than fixing something that doesnt necessarily need fixing. And if I cant compare to recent MLB free agency, what am I allowed to compare it too? I made a reference to a jackass agent, who regardless of the player makes everyone go to free agency and sign max value deals.
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Post by Nick_BrewersGM on Apr 23, 2014 9:50:56 GMT -5
50% means that you have to pay a guy 10 million dollars on a 20 million dollar contract thats just too much to pay a guy for not playing a single out haha
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Apr 23, 2014 10:02:26 GMT -5
Nick, that's exactly what it means but it also means teams can not trick the AI into a contract without ramifications, haha..
JK on the haha but not!
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Post by Nick_BrewersGM on Apr 23, 2014 10:12:43 GMT -5
:/ didnt even realize i haha'd
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Post by earlweaver on Apr 23, 2014 10:21:57 GMT -5
50% means that you have to pay a guy 10 million dollars on a 20 million dollar contract thats just too much to pay a guy for not playing a single out haha That's the point. Don't offer the 20 mil option if you don't want to pay the 10. I do believe options are an issue, even if they aren't being exploited here. I'm all far increasing the buyout to 50%. I think it's a good preemptive move. If the rule gets broken, I would suggest a 50 game suspension for the player, and the contract year gets guaranteed. I really don't see the problem with being strict on a obvious flaw in OOTP.
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Post by Nick_BrewersGM on Apr 23, 2014 10:24:54 GMT -5
50% means that you have to pay a guy 10 million dollars on a 20 million dollar contract thats just too much to pay a guy for not playing a single out haha That's the point. Don't offer the 20 mil option if you don't want to pay the 10. I do believe options are an issue, even if they aren't being exploited here. I'm all far increasing the buyout to 50%. I think it's a good preemptive move. If the rule gets broken, I would suggest a 50 game suspension for the player, and the contract year gets guaranteed. I really don't see the problem with being strict on a obvious flaw in OOTP. no one will offer 20 mill options and this will eliminate team options might as well get rid of it entirely
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Apr 23, 2014 10:33:27 GMT -5
I really forget the exact details but there was a player signed for $30m. It came after Josh Johnson's insane contract but lets use him as an example too.
Josh Johnson was signed to a 5-year, $173 million which was an average annual salary of $34.6m, some years were plus $40m others in low-to-mid 20s. This was a front loaded deal if I remember but what would stop a team from offering this contract to someone else right now and putting $40m at the back end of the deal knowing it will guarantee the player signing with him and then just got him a $10m buyout which is nothing for a team to swallow with a large budget and good prospects in the system.
And the team could do this knowing it has zero intention of honoring this contract. All this does is allow the bigger market team to outsmart the AI and beat out any competitive bidders.
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Post by Nick_BrewersGM on Apr 23, 2014 10:39:04 GMT -5
yeah in that case your right but idk i just feel 10 mill buy out for a 20 mill contract is just too much. Idc either way cause im never using team options again haha
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 10:40:02 GMT -5
I really forget the exact details but there was a player signed for $30m. It came after Josh Johnson's insane contract but lets use him as an example too. Josh Johnson was signed to a 5-year, $173 million which was an average annual salary of $34.6m, some years were plus $40m others in low-to-mid 20s. This was a front loaded deal if I remember but what would stop a team from offering this contract to someone else right now and putting $40m at the back end of the deal knowing it will guarantee the player signing with him and then just got him a $10m buyout which is nothing for a team to swallow with a large budget and good prospects in the system. And the team could do this knowing it has zero intention of honoring this contract. All this does is allow the bigger market team to outsmart the AI and beat out any competitive bidders. Common now Commish. We have the current rules in place for what, more than five seasons now? How many of the contracts you mentioned got signed during that period? Zero. In fact, how many contracts that might come near that 40M amount have been signed during that period? I'm willing to bet those can be counted on one hand and even that seems like a lot.
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