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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 14:23:48 GMT -5
That is from league reports, right? We need the in-game financial page, which shows your projected budget room. Projected balance is the wrong number.
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Post by Nick_BrewersGM on Aug 20, 2015 14:57:42 GMT -5
That is from league reports, right? We need the in-game financial page, which shows your projected budget room. Projected balance is the wrong number. Not near a computer but I remember my projected balance is like +9 mill ...I'll post when I can
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 14:59:57 GMT -5
My Projected Budget Room is 10.7 mil but i loose about 9.5 mil of cash and stay with 1.2 mil available
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 15:32:12 GMT -5
The Dodgers are $16,614,739m in the green on projected budget room.
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Post by Tim_GiantsGM on Aug 20, 2015 16:05:27 GMT -5
The current PBL rule specifies that each team must be in a positive position relative to the budget, but effective with OOTP16 no one but the Commish and the GM of a team can see whether projected expenses are greater than or less than the budget (i.e., Projected Budget Room per the Team >> Front Office >> Finances >> Budget Information page). Each of us can speculate, but no one knows for certain. For more on this, refer to this document: OOTP 16 - Finance Accounting.pdf (194.69 KB) Personally I believe the current rule has, given recent upgrades to the game, outlived its usefulness. It seems to be too difficult to monitor without constant, close scrutiny by Derek or a delegate. And the game itself seems to me to have stronger, built-in controls to penalize a GM for being fiscally irresponsible. I believe we should discuss the topic of fiscal responsibility, which encompasses more than expenses, and move toward an approach that is effective and involves a minimum of monitoring and enforcement. But this a longer term effort - hopefully addressed and resolved during our next off-season. In the meantime, we have a rule in force and we should adhere to it. Derek wrote that 19 teams are over budget. I don't know what page(s) Derek used to count, so I used the one page all GM's have available to view financial information for all teams. On the Team Info >> Financial Report page I counted 20 teams that have a negative Projected Balance amount. However, Projected Balance amount on this page is not the equivalent of Projected Budget Room. I suspect that most of these 20 teams have a positive amount for Projected Budget Room... but I can only guess. For example, the Team Info >> Financial Report page shows the Giants with a Projected Balance amount of $-6,557,119. However, the Projected Budget Room displayed on the Team >> Front Office >> Finances >> Budget Information page is $656,538. The Giants are in compliance with the rule. Further, the projected budget room will increase each week due to salaried players on the 40-man roster playing for less money in the minors. Also, if the Giants again pay significantly less than the draft expenditure budget to sign drafted players the lower, actual draft expenditure amount will reduce expenditures, increase projected budget room, and increase projected net profit. At this point in the season the entire draft expenditure budget is used to compute projected budget room. After the signing period, the budget will be replaced with the actual amount spent - a feature new to OOTP16. I expect that the Giants may sign players for a total amount that will be about $5m less than the budget, thus reducing expenditures by $5m, increasing projected budget room by $5m, and increasing projected net profit by $5m. At that point projected budget room for the Giants will be greater than $6m.
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Post by Nick_BrewersGM on Aug 20, 2015 16:14:36 GMT -5
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Post by BlueJaysGM_Fin on Aug 20, 2015 17:12:40 GMT -5
In the spirit of transparency, I am happy to show my positive projected budget number, to show support for those who have previously.
On a side note, thank god our resident finance guru aka Tim from the Giants showed up! lol
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Aug 20, 2015 17:47:00 GMT -5
The Dodgers are $16,614,739m in the green on projected budget room. Its also showing a projected loss for 2035 of close to $9 million. This is where Ed (CAR) bitched a long time ago that why should you be under budget now when what counts is end of the year numbers.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Aug 20, 2015 17:49:40 GMT -5
Sorry, I am on the road this week, working from a teeny, tiny notebook with very limited capability. Therefore, not screenshot at this time, but... The two key numbers for the Angels are: Projected Budget Room (on which the rule is based, to my understanding) = +$16,219,601 Projected BALANCE (the number we still all see in-game and in the html reports - which corresponds to SEASON PROFIT/LOSS on the accounting page) = +$1,943,540 Still doesn't mean we end up with a green number at the end of the year, but there is NO WAY we'll be off on our Player Payroll Budget. Edit/Added Info:
Also remember that most of the numbers are fluid. You pay your payroll on the go, you receive money from attendance (which can go up and down of course) and receive money from your share of road games (also up and down). Player moves, releases, etc. all factor in.
In the days since I posted above, my numbers have changed. I waived a catcher and called up another player from AAA and here's where I sit now...
The MOST important number we're discussing, and on which the rule is based, is #1 above, the Projected Budget Room for your PAYROLL. As you can see LA is "green" to the tune of $15,912,918 now.
See also at #3 that LA has $15,062,918 to spend on free agents IF we chose to do that (and we won't), because of other numbers involved. This you REALLY have to watch because it is sooooo tempting!
At #2 you see one of the perpetual LA issues, going back long before I got here. We started the season $800K in the RED. If you don't MAKE money, you can easily further hamstring yourself by SPENDING money that you essentially don't really have. Whether a rule or not!
Here's the other important numbers, found on the ACCOUNTING page under "projection for year".
As you can see, at this time, my season PROFIT-LOSS (which is the number that can be SEEN by ALL in the game and html reports page - that used to be the payroll number) has been cut in half in the days since I posted above and now sits at $918K, just barely above a LOSS on the year.
And the TOTAL BALANCE, the bottom figure in each ACCOUNTING column, is now merely $68K. This is the number that will be carried over (but can be further hampered IF/WHEN the owner takes MONEY out of my team, as he did previously).
While these numbers have no bearing on the rules in PBL, they do determine your team's financial future int he league. And, repeating, LA for example has PLENTY of FA money and PLENTY of EXTENSION money, and even plenty of PAYROLL headroom. But until we start to seriously make a profit, we are spinning our wheels. And THAT is a bit of chicken/egg.
Win, to gain more fans and make more money? Cut back, in order to make more money? Hire good players, which cost money, in order to win?
No everyone's way is my way, but I have chosen, and I am sticking to, my path...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 17:51:59 GMT -5
I'm having troubles sending the screenshot can anyone help me out here
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Post by Commish_Ron on Aug 20, 2015 18:42:56 GMT -5
To show the confusion here, Ron with the views I have the San Diego Padres are $3.95m OVER budget. Wow! Ok. I'll post what I see in game when I get home tonight. Sounds like we have some work to do. Not sure if you can see this but this is the Projected Budget Room I am going off of.
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Post by Commish_Ron on Aug 20, 2015 18:44:35 GMT -5
I'm having troubles sending the screenshot can anyone help me out here I went old school. I pulled up the page and hit <Alt><PrintScreen> to copy it into the clipboard. Then pasted it into Paint. Cropped it, resized it, saved it as a jpg. Then used "Add Attachment" above to put it in the post.
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Aug 20, 2015 19:07:15 GMT -5
The Dodgers are $16,614,739m in the green on projected budget room. Its also showing a projected loss for 2035 of close to $9 million. This is where Ed (CAR) bitched a long time ago that why should you be under budget now when what counts is end of the year numbers. When did projected loss of profit become a factor in this rule?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 19:21:08 GMT -5
I'm new and just took over the Tigers.
Am I over budget?
If so how long do I have to fix it?
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Post by Tim_GiantsGM on Aug 20, 2015 20:01:59 GMT -5
Its also showing a projected loss for 2035 of close to $9 million. This is where Ed (CAR) bitched a long time ago that why should you be under budget now when what counts is end of the year numbers. When did projected loss of profit become a factor in this rule? It isn't a factor when determining whether or not a GM is in compliance with the rule. Net profit/loss is, however, what the owner is concerned with. When a team earns a profit the owner invariably is happy. When a team loses money the owner is not happy and the GM is subject to his wrath via a reduced budget and sometimes negative cash (i.e., debt) that make it difficult to sign free agents, sign extensions, etc.
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