Looking back at possibly the biggest trade in recent history
Aug 10, 2018 15:47:20 GMT -5
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Post by Commish_Ron on Aug 10, 2018 15:47:20 GMT -5
Scary what I can get up to when he have some down time in the office. I got curious and wanted to go back and look at the current state of the block buster deal that sent CF Carl Holmes to Oakland 2 1/2 seasons ago. I said at the time that no player is untradeable, but Holmes was pretty much as close as one could get. I considered him a once in a decade player with maxed out ratings all over his profile page. He was 23 years old and right on the cusp of exploding into the league. I generally shy away from quality for quantity types of deals and there was no way I was moving Holmes for even value. Several teams tried with some fairly attractive offers. Athletics came to the table recognizing this, encouraging me to actually give them a pie in the sky, what would it really take price, and from there negotiations began.
This was the trade as posted:
Athletics give:
(A Stk) 2B Haleem Muthomi
(A Stk) 3B Luis Gonzales
(A Stk) SP Jose Luna
(A Stk) C Tomas Perez
(AA) RF Yhshitsune Ohara
(AA) RP Dan Wilson
(AA) 2B Arturo Munoz
(AAA) 1B Antonio Lopez
(AAA) CF Justin Mills
1st, 4th, 6th round draft picks
Padres give:
(PBL) CF Carl Holmes
So, where are the assets the Padres received?
SS Haleem Muthomi
Is the OSA #14 ranked prospect. He is now 23 years old tearing up AAA with a .918 OPS
3B Luis Gonzales
Was traded to the Rangers earlier this season in a 7 player deal.
SP Jose Luna, C Tomas Perez
Both of these guys were traded in the off season to Cleveland in a deal that brought 25 year old bullpen arm Aaron Vernon to town. Vernon right now has a 1.21 whip and 3.6/1 K/BB ratio in 40 appearances. Both Luna and Perez are having an impact on Cleveland's first place position in the division.
CF Yhshitsune Ohara
At 24 years old Ohara has taken over as the starting center fielder in San Diego. He is stepping up nicely with a solid 2.0 WAR approaching the all star break in his rookie season.
RP Dan Wilson
Has developed nicely and is in the show for the first time this season sporting a 1.64 ERA and 0.82 WHIP in 11 innings pitched
2B Arturo Munoz
Did not develop well and is now an unsigned free agent.
1B Antonio Lopez
Has been the every day 1B in San Diego since the trade. He was one of the leaders in the Year of the HR launching 65 HR in 2045.
He regressed badly in 2046 but is back with a vengeance in 2047 with 33 HR, 69 RBI and a 1.033 OPS as the all star game approaches.
CF Justin Mills
Had a really good 496 AB season in 2045 posting 3.4 WAR. He has been the 4th outfielder the past two seasons with batting averages in the 280s and providing stellar defense when called upon.
1st round draft pick 1B Nelson Parker has not developed well so far. Is now a B level spec in AA
In summary Padres have:
An elite middle infielder spec on the verge of kicking off his major league career (Muthomi)
A solid bullpen arm (Vernon)
A great defensive center fielder that doesn't hurt you at the plate (Ohara)
A good young bullpen arm with a bright future (Wilson)
A genuine power bat at 1B (Lopez)
A solid 4th outfielder option (Mills)
And a B level prospect (Parker)
For all of that, Oakland only got one player. Just CF Carl Holmes..... BUT... Let's take a look at Holmes awards to date:
2045 PBL AL Divisional MVP Award.
2045 PBL AL League Championship Series MVP Award.
2045 PBL AL Gold Glove at CF.
2045 PBL AL Gold Glove at CF.
2046 Paramount Baseball League All-Star Game.
2046 PBL AL Platinum Stick Award at CF.
How about his appearances on this seasons AL leader boards:
5th in OBP .410
3rd in WAR 4.2
1st in Runs 79
2nd in SB 37
3rd in BB 65
In the 2 1/2 seasons in Oakland Holmes has posted 18.6 WAR and 44.9 Zone Rating. This looks to have several indicators of a Hall of Fame career.
In terms of strait value, I believe San Diego "won" the trade. That is a lot of value to off set any production that a single player can provide. However, as evidenced by the Athletics current .756 winning percentage, they had the value to give. I applaud the Athletics for their foresight to understand that their organization was so strong it could only be upgraded by bringing in a HOF type of player and for being willing to "overpay". It was a rare and aggressive move that is obviously paying dividends. Interesting lesson to realize that value is not the only way to view a trade. I think this trade proves that you can reduce your organizations overall value and yet be better because of it. At the same time, the Padres were able to upgrade so very many positions, they are a better organization because of it and have received more overall production than Holmes alone could have provided.
In the final analysis I think this was a definite win/win. Both teams came out ahead.
This was the trade as posted:
Athletics give:
(A Stk) 2B Haleem Muthomi
(A Stk) 3B Luis Gonzales
(A Stk) SP Jose Luna
(A Stk) C Tomas Perez
(AA) RF Yhshitsune Ohara
(AA) RP Dan Wilson
(AA) 2B Arturo Munoz
(AAA) 1B Antonio Lopez
(AAA) CF Justin Mills
1st, 4th, 6th round draft picks
Padres give:
(PBL) CF Carl Holmes
So, where are the assets the Padres received?
SS Haleem Muthomi
Is the OSA #14 ranked prospect. He is now 23 years old tearing up AAA with a .918 OPS
3B Luis Gonzales
Was traded to the Rangers earlier this season in a 7 player deal.
SP Jose Luna, C Tomas Perez
Both of these guys were traded in the off season to Cleveland in a deal that brought 25 year old bullpen arm Aaron Vernon to town. Vernon right now has a 1.21 whip and 3.6/1 K/BB ratio in 40 appearances. Both Luna and Perez are having an impact on Cleveland's first place position in the division.
CF Yhshitsune Ohara
At 24 years old Ohara has taken over as the starting center fielder in San Diego. He is stepping up nicely with a solid 2.0 WAR approaching the all star break in his rookie season.
RP Dan Wilson
Has developed nicely and is in the show for the first time this season sporting a 1.64 ERA and 0.82 WHIP in 11 innings pitched
2B Arturo Munoz
Did not develop well and is now an unsigned free agent.
1B Antonio Lopez
Has been the every day 1B in San Diego since the trade. He was one of the leaders in the Year of the HR launching 65 HR in 2045.
He regressed badly in 2046 but is back with a vengeance in 2047 with 33 HR, 69 RBI and a 1.033 OPS as the all star game approaches.
CF Justin Mills
Had a really good 496 AB season in 2045 posting 3.4 WAR. He has been the 4th outfielder the past two seasons with batting averages in the 280s and providing stellar defense when called upon.
1st round draft pick 1B Nelson Parker has not developed well so far. Is now a B level spec in AA
In summary Padres have:
An elite middle infielder spec on the verge of kicking off his major league career (Muthomi)
A solid bullpen arm (Vernon)
A great defensive center fielder that doesn't hurt you at the plate (Ohara)
A good young bullpen arm with a bright future (Wilson)
A genuine power bat at 1B (Lopez)
A solid 4th outfielder option (Mills)
And a B level prospect (Parker)
For all of that, Oakland only got one player. Just CF Carl Holmes..... BUT... Let's take a look at Holmes awards to date:
2045 PBL AL Divisional MVP Award.
2045 PBL AL League Championship Series MVP Award.
2045 PBL AL Gold Glove at CF.
2045 PBL AL Gold Glove at CF.
2046 Paramount Baseball League All-Star Game.
2046 PBL AL Platinum Stick Award at CF.
How about his appearances on this seasons AL leader boards:
5th in OBP .410
3rd in WAR 4.2
1st in Runs 79
2nd in SB 37
3rd in BB 65
In the 2 1/2 seasons in Oakland Holmes has posted 18.6 WAR and 44.9 Zone Rating. This looks to have several indicators of a Hall of Fame career.
In terms of strait value, I believe San Diego "won" the trade. That is a lot of value to off set any production that a single player can provide. However, as evidenced by the Athletics current .756 winning percentage, they had the value to give. I applaud the Athletics for their foresight to understand that their organization was so strong it could only be upgraded by bringing in a HOF type of player and for being willing to "overpay". It was a rare and aggressive move that is obviously paying dividends. Interesting lesson to realize that value is not the only way to view a trade. I think this trade proves that you can reduce your organizations overall value and yet be better because of it. At the same time, the Padres were able to upgrade so very many positions, they are a better organization because of it and have received more overall production than Holmes alone could have provided.
In the final analysis I think this was a definite win/win. Both teams came out ahead.