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Post by David_ExposGM on Sept 24, 2016 15:15:30 GMT -5
Please cite where you are finding the market sizes in the game so we can all have a look? If you don't mind.
I didn't know you can see all this for each team (other than your own) and would love to!
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 15:29:20 GMT -5
Angels are like the Mets in NY, the cities 2nd second team. That being said I would think you should be at least a big market team. You are listed as average.
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 15:31:06 GMT -5
Please cite where you are finding the market sizes in the game so we can all have a look? If you don't mind. I didn't know you can see all this for each team (other than your own) and would love to! Select the team; go to home and then meet the team
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Post by David_ExposGM on Sept 24, 2016 15:52:59 GMT -5
Please cite where you are finding the market sizes in the game so we can all have a look? If you don't mind. I didn't know you can see all this for each team (other than your own) and would love to! Select the team; go to home and then meet the team Thanks! Did not know that. By the way, I recall reading many times in OOTP forums that the "market size" is not actually based on real life nor population, so it can be different in every game. I recall reading that the market is determined by the initial payroll and financial setup of each team (national media contract, etc.). So I guess my only point it that now, in PBL, it would be very hard to gauge what the exact market size should be for Carolina, any new market to which you would relocate, or for that matter the current markets in the league. Like I said, "can of worms!" If you base it strictly on population, then I would argue long and hard that both New York teams should be identical, as should both LA teams, which I will not of course, because I don't think that's the way the game operates. You mentioned that the Angels and Mets are the second teams in the market. So you are suggesting the size not be based strictly on population then? I happen to be Toronto in another league and my market size there is ASTRONOMICAL. I see Toronto in PBL is listed as BELOW AVG. One could argue that Toronto, in real life, has an entire country as it's "market." Or any of a number of other arguments. Oh, and my "market size" when I took over LA was AVERAGE, as it is today. And frankly if I am "average" in a market the size of LA (in real life), then I should take issue with any team being that or above in any market smaller than LA (arguing population), but I won't. Personally, I just live with the game and hope that my actions will improve my situation (in whatever capacity that might be). "Average" Miami, just beat "Above Average" Pittsburgh to capture a World Series. And "Small" Carolina made the post-season, while the "Astronomical" New York Yankees were on the outside looking in. By the way, not in PBL, but another league, I have experienced a "market size increase" within the game. Rare granted, but it does happen (probably the opposite can happen too). Again, that's the game and I live with it.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Sept 24, 2016 15:58:05 GMT -5
By the way, I see we both have DEMANDING and ECONOMIZER owners! Ha! We're screwed! Hehehe.
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 16:03:51 GMT -5
OOTP explained Market size as essentially the overall capacity for the club to maintain a ball club, counting population, financial implications, potential interest, etc...
So I would expect Mets/Angels/White Sox to be less than NY/LA/Cubs since they are all the cities "2nd teams".
That being said I was trying to make an argument that Carolina is not a small market team. I think that Market sizes should be updated to reflect real world. If not then I would like explore moving the team to another market.....I think NY needs a 3rd team!!!
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Post by Texas Rangers on Sept 24, 2016 23:46:05 GMT -5
I think that Market sizes should be updated to reflect real world Do you have population demographic numbers available for the year 2040?
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 25, 2016 6:16:39 GMT -5
Why yes I do. Type in "population demographics 2040" into google and you will spend the next week reading everything. In summary population increases.
There is a field of study devoted to just this type of thing.
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Post by Peter - Boston Red Sox on Sept 25, 2016 7:01:26 GMT -5
I'm drawing 16k fans a game and have no budget to get new players yet I am a large market team. The struggle is real.
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Sept 25, 2016 9:02:52 GMT -5
Why yes I do. Type in "population demographics 2040" into google and you will spend the next week reading everything. In summary population increases. There is a field of study devoted to just this type of thing. Could it possibly be despite your location that historically Charlotte has been a Braves market? I really don't think we want to adjust every market based on 2040 projections. They really have no correlation to the PBL universe anyway. Market size is made up of many factors, not just population of a city. The Braves and Cardinals are perfect examples of real life teams with larger markets than the population of their metro areas.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Sept 25, 2016 19:46:52 GMT -5
Very good discussion and an interesting read but at this time (or maybe for awhile) for the sake of opening a can of worms we do not need, we will not be modifying market sizes, loyalty, interest, etc.
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