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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 6:45:49 GMT -5
Just like the real MLB, due to an ongoing small market and fan loyalty, Carolina is looking to move the franchise to a more receptive city. How do we go about moving teams.
The major market cities that have expressed interest in a franchise:
Portland, OR - Television market size: 1.18 million - They would love them some baseball Indianapolis, IN - Television market size: 1.09 million - they are tired of being a AAA city
Other suitors: Salt Lake City and Las Vegas
On a side note Charlotte should be more than a small market area for baseball. The city just paid $54 million into a new stadium for the Knights (AAA) and has a great corporate base and a whole lot of baseball acumen thanks to minor league and Atlantic Coast Conference teams, they should be AVG to above AVG.
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Post by NickP_Marlins GM on Sept 24, 2016 7:45:52 GMT -5
I think it's your owner being a tight ass.
Your attendance and revenue are both great so it has to be an owner issue. Only way to fix that is to move to a different team. As well as you've done over the years with a low budget I'm sure you'd enjoy a 120-150 mil budget to play with.
Just my .02
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Post by David_ExposGM on Sept 24, 2016 9:22:28 GMT -5
And just tossing this out. As a discussion point, not arguing against your case.
Would you accept the market size and loyalty, as determined by the game, should the move be made? What happens if the new market is actually inferior to the current market (as determined by the game)? And your loyalty actually starts from a lower point (hopefully building at a better pace over time, but still)?
I wasn't here when the league was created and/or expanded into Montreal and Carolina, but obviously at that point the markets, fan loyalty, etc., were determined by the game. You are living the result presently.
If you are looking to "improve" the market size, loyalty, etc., then (in my mind) that is a different argument because who can really determine that? And that, undoubtedly, would open a can 'o worms I'm sure.
Seems to me that some GM's either don't get the concept of a "roll call" :-) or will not be back. I might also suggest a move to a larger market in PBL (much as I know that stings because you've built your team in CAR).
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Sept 24, 2016 10:53:29 GMT -5
That sucks that your fan loyalty is low. Mine wasn't as low as yours when I took over the Reds but my fan loyalty has increased twice since I took over.
I guess my point here is that over time, that particular aspect can change. Not sure about the market size though.
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 12:15:37 GMT -5
Market size directly impacts media revenue. My media revenue was 31st (just behind Montreal). There is nothing as a GM you can do that changes that. All other revenue can be increase by simply winning (tickets sales, merchandise...etc). My owner is an asshat for sure (his demands for next year are simply unattainable), but market size is just an unnecessarily restrictive handy cap.
Market size is essentially the overall capacity for the club to maintain a ballclub, counting population, financial implications, potential interest, etc... .
Loyalty is then the amount of people in that market that you would call die-hard fans. Yes, season tickets are essentially based on this.
Fan interest is then your current state of affairs. This is the number that swings heavily year to year based on current record.
Since Portland is more affluent the market and has a sports fan base I would assume market size would at least be above average, average loyalty and since its new team it would have decent interest.
and all of these settings can be modified by commissioner so it should be easily be doable.
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 12:17:55 GMT -5
And just tossing this out. As a discussion point, not arguing against your case. Would you accept the market size and loyalty, as determined by the game, should the move be made? What happens if the new market is actually inferior to the current market (as determined by the game)? And your loyalty actually starts from a lower point (hopefully building at a better pace over time, but still)? I wasn't here when the league was created and/or expanded into Montreal and Carolina, but obviously at that point the markets, fan loyalty, etc., were determined by the game. You are living the result presently. If you are looking to "improve" the market size, loyalty, etc., then (in my mind) that is a different argument because who can really determine that? And that, undoubtedly, would open a can 'o worms I'm sure. Seems to me that some GM's either don't get the concept of a "roll call" :-) or will not be back. I might also suggest a move to a larger market in PBL (much as I know that stings because you've built your team in CAR). Market size, loyalty and fan interest are manually generated since there is no easy way to move a team.
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 12:47:16 GMT -5
Here is some information on sports market sizes NFL (Carolina is 6th largest) NBA (Carolina is 21st, like their college ball better) Carolina likes its sports and media markets in general Radio ( Carolina is 22nd largest market in US) TV (Carolina is 22nd largest in US)
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 13:03:53 GMT -5
Out of Curiosity....What is PIT and BAL Market Sizes listed at?? It looks like BAL, CAR and PIT should be about the same.
edit: I was able to find this in-game
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 13:08:27 GMT -5
And just tossing this out. As a discussion point, not arguing against your case. Would you accept the market size and loyalty, as determined by the game, should the move be made? What happens if the new market is actually inferior to the current market (as determined by the game)? And your loyalty actually starts from a lower point (hopefully building at a better pace over time, but still)? I wasn't here when the league was created and/or expanded into Montreal and Carolina, but obviously at that point the markets, fan loyalty, etc., were determined by the game. You are living the result presently. If you are looking to "improve" the market size, loyalty, etc., then (in my mind) that is a different argument because who can really determine that? And that, undoubtedly, would open a can 'o worms I'm sure. Seems to me that some GM's either don't get the concept of a "roll call" :-) or will not be back. I might also suggest a move to a larger market in PBL (much as I know that stings because you've built your team in CAR). Also I am not looking for any special treatment (changes in loyalty and interest), I just want market sizes to be accurate and based on media coverage Carolina should be a mid-market team.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Sept 24, 2016 13:17:35 GMT -5
And just tossing this out. As a discussion point, not arguing against your case. Would you accept the market size and loyalty, as determined by the game, should the move be made? What happens if the new market is actually inferior to the current market (as determined by the game)? And your loyalty actually starts from a lower point (hopefully building at a better pace over time, but still)? I wasn't here when the league was created and/or expanded into Montreal and Carolina, but obviously at that point the markets, fan loyalty, etc., were determined by the game. You are living the result presently. If you are looking to "improve" the market size, loyalty, etc., then (in my mind) that is a different argument because who can really determine that? And that, undoubtedly, would open a can 'o worms I'm sure. Seems to me that some GM's either don't get the concept of a "roll call" :-) or will not be back. I might also suggest a move to a larger market in PBL (much as I know that stings because you've built your team in CAR). Also I am not looking for any special treatment (changes in loyalty and interest), I just want market sizes to be accurate and based on media coverage Carolina should be a mid-market team. My team is in LA. Did this thread when I first arrived in PBL as the situation with the Angels was horrid. Slowly I have worked my way out of it. Emphasize "slowly". Curious how your situation compare to the initial LA situation? paramountbaseball.proboards.com/thread/9522/2034-la-angels-story
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 13:21:16 GMT -5
Also I am not looking for any special treatment (changes in loyalty and interest), I just want market sizes to be accurate and based on media coverage Carolina should be a mid-market team. My team is in LA. Did this thread when I first arrived in PBL as the situation with the Angels was horrid. Slowly I have worked my way out of it. Emphasize "slowly". Curious how your situation compare to the initial LA situation? paramountbaseball.proboards.com/thread/9522/2034-la-angels-storyBut what was your Market Size at the time?
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 13:54:54 GMT -5
So here are the in game market sizes for comparable media market teams
COL - above average - 17th largest market
St. Louis - Average - 21st largest market
Car - small - 22nd largest market
Pit - Above Average - 23rd largest market
Bal - Rather Big - 26th largest market
SD - Below Average - 28th largest market
KC - Above Average - 33rd largest market
Mil - Average - 35th largest market
So based on this information Carolina should AT LEAST be average for market size
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Post by Texas Rangers on Sept 24, 2016 14:31:55 GMT -5
So here are the in game market sizes for comparable media market teams COL - above average - 17th largest market
St. Louis - Average - 21st largest marketCar - small - 22nd largest market Pit - Above Average - 23rd largest market Bal - Rather Big - 26th largest market SD - Below Average - 28th largest marketKC - Above Average - 33rd largest market Mil - Average - 35th largest market So based on this information Carolina should AT LEAST be average for market size Toronto is listed as a small market, even though the only cities with teams that have a larger population are New York and LA. It'll never be exactly accurate
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Sept 24, 2016 14:50:43 GMT -5
So here are the in game market sizes for comparable media market teams COL - above average - 17th largest market
St. Louis - Average - 21st largest marketCar - small - 22nd largest market Pit - Above Average - 23rd largest market Bal - Rather Big - 26th largest market SD - Below Average - 28th largest marketKC - Above Average - 33rd largest market Mil - Average - 35th largest market So based on this information Carolina should AT LEAST be average for market size Toronto is listed as a small market, even though the only cities with teams that have a larger population are New York and LA. It'll never be exactly accurate Toronto is listed as below average
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Post by David_ExposGM on Sept 24, 2016 15:12:58 GMT -5
But what was your Market Size at the time? Not sure what you're asking? What was it in the game? That can be seen in one of the graphics in the article attached. Are you using in-game market sizes or are you using real-world market sizes for your argument? If real-world, what would you term LA? Just curious.
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