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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:32:07 GMT -5
I would fully support moving injuries up a level. More strategy, depth finally matters as it just doesn't now, and more realism. Also, it may (possibly!) help trading for non-rookies as teams would have more need to replace players in the line-up. Anything that does that is a big plus.
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Post by Tim_KCRoyalsGM on Oct 1, 2014 19:22:22 GMT -5
As long as we don't go crazy on raising the injury level TOO high, I am fine with it. .. But raising the ML roster size is something I am against. This was brought up last year in committee and had no real support.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 19:22:52 GMT -5
I vote no on increasing injuries but I agree with Rob - we need something to shake things up
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Post by Nick_BrewersGM on Oct 1, 2014 19:46:30 GMT -5
Im against injuries im not spending my time and effort to have half my lineup on the DL haha...iv gotten enough injuries that have pissed me off (Martinez twice, Moore once, Shawn Parker for a year, Orland Perez for a year) and these are just the big names that i can remember off the top of my head
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Post by AstrosGM_Shane on Oct 1, 2014 19:59:17 GMT -5
It's an interesting idea to increase injuries cause using depth is fun and exposes teams well but I think it would turn off and frustrate too many GMs ultimately.
Wonder what other ideas could take advantage of depth or shake things up some?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 20:19:31 GMT -5
It would be more realistic. OTOH, it adds randomness to the competition.
I've always thought that a higher injury setting is better for the realism, but it's set higher in the SBL and I find I don't particularly like it.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Oct 1, 2014 20:47:22 GMT -5
Im against injuries im not spending my time and effort to have half my lineup on the DL haha...iv gotten enough injuries that have pissed me off (Martinez twice, Moore once, Shawn Parker for a year, Orland Perez for a year) and these are just the big names that i can remember off the top of my head This is the exact reason this idea is brought up though, the idea of baseball is the best 25 guys, not a Super-9 with your lineup, 5 good pitchers and 3 bullpen arms and win 100 games and move on. The depth IS being taken out of the game and thus is another reason trades are down. Teams been shipping off quantity for quality then locking the quality up for well below market level deals. Keeping those players off the FA market and making teams have no need to trade after a while.
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Post by Nick_BrewersGM on Oct 1, 2014 20:50:29 GMT -5
Im against injuries im not spending my time and effort to have half my lineup on the DL haha...iv gotten enough injuries that have pissed me off (Martinez twice, Moore once, Shawn Parker for a year, Orland Perez for a year) and these are just the big names that i can remember off the top of my head This is the exact reason this idea is brought up though, the idea of baseball is the best 25 guys, not a Super-9 with your lineup, 5 good pitchers and 3 bullpen arms and win 100 games and move on. The depth IS being taken out of the game and thus is another reason trades are down. Teams been shipping off quantity for quality then locking the quality up for well below market level deals. Keeping those players off the FA market and making teams have no need to trade after a while. but what im saying is that there are plenty of injuries already i left a list of long term injuries on my squad and all those players have good durability ratings
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Post by Luc_AZdbacks on Oct 1, 2014 21:16:22 GMT -5
Im against injuries im not spending my time and effort to have half my lineup on the DL haha...iv gotten enough injuries that have pissed me off (Martinez twice, Moore once, Shawn Parker for a year, Orland Perez for a year) and these are just the big names that i can remember off the top of my head This is the exact reason this idea is brought up though, the idea of baseball is the best 25 guys, not a Super-9 with your lineup, 5 good pitchers and 3 bullpen arms and win 100 games and move on. The depth IS being taken out of the game and thus is another reason trades are down. Teams been shipping off quantity for quality then locking the quality up for well below market level deals. Keeping those players off the FA market and making teams have no need to trade after a while. +1 to what Derek said here. I guess the the thing I don't quite understand is why people seem to be against injuries when they are part of the game. For example, I hate it when my team makes errors, but I don't think that we should set modifiers in game to eliminate all errors because of that. Nobody likes having players on their teams getting injured, but taking injuries out of the game doesn't make sense. As I understand, there are 5 settings in OOTP for injuries: Very Low, Low, Normal (OOTP Classic), High (Realistic Modern Day), Very High. We as a league have the setting on low, 2 levels below what is realistic. All I would want would be increasing the injury setting to Normal, which is still below realistic! There are way more injuries in the MLB than people realize, and it doesn't really make sense to me that we wouldn't at least have a similar amount of injuries. Looking through the injury log, the PBL has hardly any injuries. We just have tendencies to remember the injuries that happen to our guys which makes us believe there are more than there actually are. Also, in my opinion, one of the problems we have as a league is that there is no value to having depth players on your bench and on your AAA team. I know for Arizona, we never had to call up anybody from our minor league team this year, and we have guys that are forever stuck in the minors. I think that this presents two problems. 1) Trading: Trading is becoming less frequent because every team either wants top prospects, or top players. Moving depth guys is very difficult to do. 2) The Draft: It seems like people lose interest after the first round, and it makes sense. Low level prospects aren't going to make it to the bigs if there aren't injuries or something that opens up a spot for them. I think moving the injuries to normal would add strategy, difficulty, and ultimately fun to the league.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Oct 1, 2014 21:21:56 GMT -5
If we were managing teams on a daily basis, id agree with a higher injury rating. But the way the AI handles decisions is frustrating and disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 21:25:35 GMT -5
I'd support bumping the injuries up a level. I like the way it has worked out in the SBL.
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Post by NickP_Marlins GM on Oct 2, 2014 1:08:16 GMT -5
I agree with the point that upping it will create a more realistic feel, but DAMN I want to vote NO.
As always im fine with whatever Derek decides.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 1:49:31 GMT -5
It's an interesting idea to increase injuries cause using depth is fun and exposes teams well but I think it would turn off and frustrate too many GMs ultimately. Wonder what other ideas could take advantage of depth or shake things up some? This is why I like injuries, and agree with Derek's points. One other bonus of injuries is that prospect progression is less assured. With OOTP15 upping the consistency of development (with less stars developed but more likely to make it), the universal tactic of rebuilding around a few surefire stars is too obvious, leading to a stagnant market. The other way to need depth and make the long term rebuild less of a default route is to increase the Talent Change Randomness factor, especially if we never raised it after lowering in OOTP13.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 20:06:38 GMT -5
I like bumping injuries to normal (maybe 1 level this yr, then normal next?)
What is the league TCR? OTher lgs I have/am in some have it set to 1.2 which seems to work.
Another random thought, make maximum contract length, say 5 yrs?
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Post by Luc_AZdbacks on Oct 2, 2014 20:10:58 GMT -5
I like bumping injuries to normal (maybe 1 level this yr, then normal next?) What is the league TCR? OTher lgs I have/am in some have it set to 1.2 which seems to work. Another random thought, make maximum contract length, say 5 yrs? I think with having Mr. Zevin as an agent now unfair contracts won't be a problem, and free agents are usually old enough that nobody would want to sign them for much more than 5 years. But back to the injuries, with the decent amount of support in favour of increasing injuries, should this go up for a league vote or a PBLRC vote?
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