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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Jan 10, 2013 9:30:48 GMT -5
I'm thinking that we are deep enough in as a league and can take a chance in experimenting... I would LOVE to turn scouting on with 100% accuracy. This should show no change to player ratings nor would it make the level scout you have hold any value but it will bring in international free agents. I think as a whole, the league has been really missing the boat on this. Thoughts? Remember 2022 is about making change. Bigger.. Better... I say this because I know MANY of us here are creatures of habit and won't accept ideas based on they are new.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 10:00:10 GMT -5
I need to make sure I fully understand the effects of Scouting.
If Scouting is 100% does it mean it is the same as OSA?
If Scouting is something other than 100% what does it really mean?
And, are we talking about distributing Scouting options to include more countries or areas? Or, dividing up between Majors, Amateurs, College, etc.?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 10:08:29 GMT -5
Big yes. 100% Scouting means everyone will see the exact same ratings as now, both on team screens and reports. Everyone will always see the same ratings as each other, as now. The ratings seen will also always be the real ratings, as now.
The only change from now is that it opens up international scouting as something that you can choose to invest in (or not). So added strategy for absolutely no downside whatsoever.
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Post by Rich - Former GM on Jan 10, 2013 10:40:58 GMT -5
I would LOVE to turn scouting on with 100% accuracy. This should show no change to player ratings nor would it make the level scout you have hold any value but it will bring in international free agents. This is the key sentence that has me voting yes.
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Post by Sean..Mariners GM on Jan 10, 2013 11:58:21 GMT -5
Yes! We are also doing it in the re-branded BLoA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 13:53:36 GMT -5
It will be a money sink I guess.
I'm not sure what would happen if you put no money in the scouting budget as it is broken up by percentage between ML, Minors, and Amatuer. Then you get one country scouted for free. From there countries are broken into tiers with each additional country costing an amount based on the tier. The top tier costs $1 million.
So if we don't put cash in basic scouting, and then pay for additional countries I guess I'm for it.
What about putting in full scouting? we've talked about it before.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 14:35:36 GMT -5
I need to make sure I fully understand the effects of Scouting. If Scouting is 100% does it mean it is the same as OSA? If Scouting is something other than 100% what does it really mean? And, are we talking about distributing Scouting options to include more countries or areas? Or, dividing up between Majors, Amateurs, College, etc.? OSA is not actual. What we see is actual. OSA is a second form of evaluation, scouts are a third with varying realities based on scouts ability. So in my scout league with no potential/actual ratings, the annual top 100 prospect list is impotant as a possible second source of confirmation and something to base trades on. It's really makes draft day interesting. You see guys your scout says is a dog get drafted in the top 10 and you start wondering whether your guy is wrong or theirs is. And of course your scout does a better job of evaluation when the player is in your organization so you might find that he evals the player downward after you select him. Same with trades, you might think a guy is one thing, but after he comes into your organization he's another.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 23:21:56 GMT -5
I don't see the sense in turning scouting on if it's going to be 100% accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 2:10:46 GMT -5
I don't see the sense in turning scouting on if it's going to be 100% accurate. WIthout scouting on, you cannot get the international player finds. This is a part of the game you can invest between 0 and $12mil in, so the more you spend the higher your chances of finding young foreign players. The majority of these won't be good enough, or marginal, but occasionally you can find a gem. It's a gamble and a bit of a money sink, but it is another layer of strategy you can turn on for absolutely no down-side whatsoever.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Jan 11, 2013 9:23:24 GMT -5
Exactly what Rob said.
Hell I would and I know some others would be willing to turn scouting on at a little less than 100% but this also changes A LOT from the league and many people are not up for it and I understand why.
This kind of gives the best of both worlds....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 9:24:24 GMT -5
I would be one that wouldn't want a league with scouting under 100% - purely because OOTP does it so badly.
But at 100%, I cannot see any downside and would be intrigued to hear one
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 19:52:33 GMT -5
I don't see the sense in turning scouting on if it's going to be 100% accurate. WIthout scouting on, you cannot get the international player finds. This is a part of the game you can invest between 0 and $12mil in, so the more you spend the higher your chances of finding young foreign players. The majority of these won't be good enough, or marginal, but occasionally you can find a gem. It's a gamble and a bit of a money sink, but it is another layer of strategy you can turn on for absolutely no down-side whatsoever. and with it on the rich teams get richer, as they can spend more money in this area, and with scouting at 100% accurate there is no fog of war so to speak
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Jan 11, 2013 20:37:42 GMT -5
There is your one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 22:34:50 GMT -5
what do you mean ,,,there is my one?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 2:11:52 GMT -5
what do you mean ,,,there is my one? I asked to hear one downside as I couldn't think of any. Whilst it could be true, the same can be said about draft bonuses, free agency and financials on. This is a very minor percentage compared to those. It also adds strategy so a team rebuilding can choose to spend more in this are and rebuild quicker, so it's not automatically worse for those poorer teams.
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