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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Jan 10, 2013 9:26:06 GMT -5
Hey guys,
I'm really looking to get 2022 season rolling without hiccup this year as it seems every off-season we run into some type of small issue that gives us a delay in moving forward.
With that being said, I'm going to start the roll-call a little earlier so I can have more time without rushing to find good owners for the vacant teams. There is nothing I hate more than open teams...
Also, I'm going to be running some ideas past everyone for potential things to implement to the league. I WOULD REALLY LOVE SOME HELP in coming up with ideas and even some people who can help run certain areas of the league.
This league has come as far as it has because we got great people who always help. Not to leave anyone out but I'd be crazy not to mention Sam (draft guru), Rob (rules police), Shane (recruiting officer), Steve (my idea punching bag), etc......
I love the league, I just always want more. I have always wanted more out of the PBL and this is no complain or vent of frustration. I simply think this group deserves the best. I wish I had more time freed up to run a website but content is an issue for me, etc.
Anyways, if you got anything you would like to see implemented in 2022 then let me know here. Lets make one of the best, most exciting and smoothest seasons to date.
As far as logos, etc I got no idea why it didn't load up with the file because I set it to do so but I will post an image file separately or something. HOWEVER, I think in 2022, I'm going to go with retro jerseys for the league as a way of celebrating how far we got as a group plus I really want to use retros for a year! LOL.
I'll be starting 2022 roll call shortly. Again please post ideas, concerns, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 10:23:22 GMT -5
I recognize that most leagues I've ever been in whether or not OOTP or APBA are generally prone to stick with what works rather than mess with new concepts. This league is pretty good at embracing ideas that will help to improve the league, if we can agree, yet there is a long history in place here that helps define who the PBL is so it also stays with works.
So, out of respect for an excellent league and its long standing traditions I offer the following idea for discussion. I'm not sure I want it either because, like you guys, I like some traditions too, but I would like to at least listen to your thoughts and gain knowledge from your experiences. I am in the WBH and this is their structure but I'm too new to actually have much experience with it. Anyway, here it is:
Alignment: 4 Leagues with 8 teams each
At the end of the season: The 2 teams that come in last in the division below it drop down to the next tier of 8 teams. The two teams that win their divisions move up the the next tier. The ladder effect.
There are many variables like separate or common drafts for each league, etc., but no point in going to far if this is not a PBL area of interest.
What I do like about it is that it forces your team to play hard every year and not take a year or two off for rebuilding. Rebuilding had to be approached in a different way. A little more like real life where a GM that lost 103 games each year would probably be out of a job (in case anyone is wondering this is not about any GM in the this league...most of us rebuild at some point).
I think for the PBL this is a long shot idea but at the same time I'm really curious to hear what the GM's think about it. Even if it drops dead in the water today I'm fine with it but at the same time I'd appreciate it everyone could have an open mind to the discussion.
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Post by Rich - Former GM on Jan 10, 2013 10:51:02 GMT -5
I recognize that most leagues I've ever been in whether or not OOTP or APBA are generally prone to stick with what works rather than mess with new concepts. This league is pretty good at embracing ideas that will help to improve the league, if we can agree, yet there is a long history in place here that helps define who the PBL is so it also stays with works. So, out of respect for an excellent league and its long standing traditions I offer the following idea for discussion. I'm not sure I want it either because, like you guys, I like some traditions too, but I would like to at least listen to your thoughts and gain knowledge from your experiences. I am in the WBH and this is their structure but I'm too new to actually have much experience with it. Anyway, here it is: Alignment: 4 Leagues with 8 teams each At the end of the season: The 2 teams that come in last in the division below it drop down to the next tier of 8 teams. The two teams that win their divisions move up the the next tier. The ladder effect. There are many variables like separate or common drafts for each league, etc., but no point in going to far if this is not a PBL area of interest. What I do like about it is that it forces your team to play hard every year and not take a year or two off for rebuilding. Rebuilding had to be approached in a different way. A little more like real life where a GM that lost 103 games each year would probably be out of a job (in case anyone is wondering this is not about any GM in the this league...most of us rebuild at some point). I think for the PBL this is a long shot idea but at the same time I'm really curious to hear what the GM's think about it. Even if it drops dead in the water today I'm fine with it but at the same time I'd appreciate it everyone could have an open mind to the discussion. I have the same concern as you that this is a long shot idea for this league, but a cool idea and one that I would definately be willing to explore in a seperate league. I think a lot of teams enjoy the rebuild process and many have said so in recent threads.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 11:16:04 GMT -5
It's interesting and if any league could, I think PBL is the one. But so many things to discuss regarding it, such as the draft, reasons not to demote etc, which with OOTP quirks makes me worried. Worth exploring though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 13:27:19 GMT -5
That re-alignment is a bit radical for an established league, but if you want to commish a league like that, let me know.
I would be interested in re-alignment though, if we could get the schedule straight. Interleague would be nice as well. But I understand that there are technical issues with both these items.
Edit: BTW I was in the WBH and I liked the set up. There were other things I didn't like so much and I left after 2 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 14:42:21 GMT -5
I still love everything about this league.
Strongly against re-allignment as I think it would emphasize the one weakness of the league, which is a lack of competitiveness and a huge gap between the few teams who always win and those who never win.
I'd love to come of with some ideas to make the league more competitive which probably means injecting more talent into the FA pool (international FAs?) or something like that?
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Post by Texas Rangers on Jan 10, 2013 14:47:25 GMT -5
I still love everything about this league. Strongly against re-allignment as I think it would emphasize the one weakness of the league, which is a lack of competitiveness and a huge gap between the few teams who always win and those who never win. I'd love to come of with some ideas to make the league more competitive which probably means injecting more talent into the FA pool (international FAs?) or something like that? This. Keep divisions the way they are. We will eventually beat those other bastards in the AL East!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 14:54:44 GMT -5
As long as we have 2 divisions with 6 teams, realignment is going to be an issue. Personally, I would like to see 4 divisions of 4 with 2 WCs for a total of 12 playoff teams.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Jan 10, 2013 16:21:42 GMT -5
I still like complete realignment, based on geography. Mets and Yankees in the same division, seems exciting to me.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Jan 10, 2013 18:16:53 GMT -5
My biggest thing, and I said this a hundred times, but I hate things getting stale. I know we set a foundation for the league but I'm willing to change, evolve. I want to be able to look back and see where we are now and how we got there. I would be bored as hell if we look back and see it under the same structure as 2010.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 20:09:09 GMT -5
I think we have made enough changes to the league all ready. I'm not really interested in more realignment. If anything I think we could do some retraction and take two teams back out of the league. Steve's Idea is interesting but I really don't have the desire to try it out either. I don't like the Idea of having all the best teams in some elite league while everyone one else gets put somewhere else to try and encourage teams to want to compete. My rebuild didn't take as long as others. That had to do with luck/decisions I made to make my team better. Not everyone is going to be able to retool in two years!!
I'm fine with small changes like a point system implemented to change cosmetic things. I don't mind scouting being turned on either.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Jan 10, 2013 20:42:23 GMT -5
I like Steve's idea as I told him in personal conversations, I just don't like it for the PBL. I think its definitely more suited for a startup league (BLoA for example) where there is no history, no rivals in place.
As far as realignment, if I am being honest, I can see it coming. I almost did it way back in the day when Erick sent me a fantastic proposal. I almost did it again when we added Carolina and Portland as well.
One thing that I would definitely factor in are the rivalries created in this league and history as well. Red Sox/Yankees, Cubs/Cardinals, Giants/Dodgers. Those need to be rivals. However factoring in PBL, Oakland/Seattle is the biggest rival in the league that needs to continue.
Off the top of my head I don't think there are that many more major rivals created in the PBL.
I will be honest too, one of the most important things for me is to bring inter league play back to the PBL and I always seem to remember it once the schedule is locked and I need to wait another season. I believe under the current schedules available, for 32-teams to do interleague we will need to have some type of realignment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 21:24:13 GMT -5
As long as Sam is in my division I'm happy! Even though he's a pain in my ass!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 23:56:44 GMT -5
you cant say that when youre streaking towards a nd straight AL West pennant Kyle. The Ms are an underdog team these days
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 1:36:11 GMT -5
I also think that Steve's idea is very interesting, but I see one major obstacle: Teams that fall down the ladder and are buried in the lower leagues will lose interest. I think it won't be as you, Steve, predict - teams won't be forced to rebuild ... I'm sure we'd lose some of these teams, especially when there isn't a long-time GM - plus it would be hard to find a new GM for these teams.
I for my part grow frustrated with battling to reach .500 for several seasons now in this environment - it most likely would take me a couple of seasons to fall into the bottom league and honestly, I wouldn't have interest in trying to move up league by league.
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