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Post by Commish_Ron on May 29, 2020 12:25:35 GMT -5
A great question was asked on Slack today. With the new draft lottery system it is possible for a team that has an unprotected pick move up to one of the first two picks. In that case does that pick become protected? What happens to the rest of the top 10?
Here is my proposal to add to the league governance. As always feedback, discussion and concerns are welcome.
"If a team with an unprotected first round pick wins the draft lottery for one of the first two picks, that pick will become protected. The status of all other protected picks will remain unchanged."
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Post by kendalld00(GM for hire) on May 29, 2020 12:46:39 GMT -5
I second that.. If you are lucky enough to win one of those first picks, then they should become protected and not tradable.
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Post by Commish_Ron on May 29, 2020 12:52:05 GMT -5
I second that.. If you are lucky enough to win one of those first picks, then they should become protected and not tradable. Interesting idea making them untradable.... I am already waffling. If a team moves up and gets the first pick, that is already a huge win. Maybe we are better off leaving the pick unprotected. The off set of getting that first pick should maybe be not signing comp eligible?
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Post by Arizona_PBL on May 29, 2020 14:30:30 GMT -5
I think protected for sure. As you mentioned in Slack the lottery winners would still loose a second if they signed a comp pick. Here is another question (why do I keep causing trouble)....what if they pick is not signed...does the team receive a comp pick at the location of the lottery or at the original order?
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Post by AstrosGM_Shane on May 29, 2020 17:29:50 GMT -5
I hate the lottery in the first place but if it’s gonna be there you should give the worst 2 teams a better chance of winning. Odds are against them. I say this with all confidence I will not be one of those teams next year either. Right now the way it’s set up it’s pretty much a toss up for the first 2 picks with not that much difference amongst records. It’s pretty much a give in a random team will get first 2 picks each year the way it is now.
And yah I think it being protected is dangerous. Say a team like the dodgers win it. Not only do they get first pick but they also go into free agency being able to sign comp free agents with a protected first pick. It’s quite the advantage for a Really good team to acquire all by the roll of dice.
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Post by JeremiahRoyals on May 29, 2020 20:20:52 GMT -5
I think if you had a protected pic and you get one of the top 2 spots it stays protected - if you didn't have a protected pick then it shouldn't be protected if that is possible. Without the lottery your pick would not have been protect and if you signed a comp you would have lost your pick. Just my half a cent.
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Post by BlueJaysGM_Fin on May 31, 2020 7:42:58 GMT -5
Jeremiah captures what I came to write, above. If a team moving up in the draft was already outside of the pick protection, then it should remain an unprotected pick if they move into the top 2 picks.
The reward of moving up in the draft is the win for the team. If they choose to sign a comp FA, then their decision is an informed one. In that, the draft lottery is held prior to FA and the team who goes FA shopping understands their draft position.
For what it is worth, i like the idea of the new draft lottery. It definitely adds some excitement to the offseason!
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Post by MetDaMeats on May 31, 2020 11:36:21 GMT -5
I was talking to John (Sansterre) yesterday and he made a point that convinced me that we should adding protections to the lottery picks. Since he hasn't posted it yet, I'll post it and he can comment and tell me I got it all wrong.
Basically his argument is, winning the lottery should never be a thing that reduces a team's ability to compete. Say Tampa Bay thought they were one signing of Pierre Boucher away from contention in the AL South next season. They were prepared to lose a middling 1st rounder to take a shot at winning in 2055. But the number 2 overall pick is just too high to give up for a free agent. As a lottery winner without protection they would be forced to delay their attempt to compete in their division in order to make sure they held on to their draft position. In essence, the lottery pick would be keeping them from playing as competitively as they'd prefer.
So, he suggested comp protection for the lowest 10 teams plus the lottery winners. Some years there would be 10, 11 or 12 comp protected picks (depending on whether someone with protection won the lottery), but it wouldn't interfere with anyone's ability to compete.
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Post by AstrosGM_Shane on May 31, 2020 11:50:59 GMT -5
My only argument to that angle is that if a really good team get's a top pick now they get to sign players without losing a 1st rounder and it gives a competitive advantage over their fellow playoff competitors all by just the roll of dice.
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Post by sansterre - Milwaukee Brewers on May 31, 2020 12:12:32 GMT -5
My only argument to that angle is that if a really good team get's a top pick now they get to sign players without losing a 1st rounder and it gives a competitive advantage over their fellow playoff competitors all by just the roll of dice. That's a fair argument. Door #1 (all lottery picks protected): Teams outside of the top ten can suddenly sign comp free agents and only lose a 2nd, not a first. Door #2 (only worst ten records protected): Teams outside of the top ten who win a pick in the lottery suddenly can't sign comp free agents without losing a massive pick. I, frankly, prefer door 2. Agreed that it's an arbitrary advantage gained only through the RNG, but then again, isn't that the entire premise of the lottery itself? I dislike winning the lottery to have any downside attached to it. But I will concede, this is an arbitrary position.
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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on May 31, 2020 13:37:09 GMT -5
I know I originally suggested that all non-playoff teams be eligible and yes this next suggestion will reduce the excitement of the lottery.
Why not limit the lottery to the 10 teams that already have their picks protected? It is simple - it keeps the lottery and the excitement and it solves the should this compensation protected or not.
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Post by NickP_Marlins GM on May 31, 2020 14:17:04 GMT -5
I know I originally suggested that all non-playoff teams be eligible and yes this next suggestion will reduce the excitement of the lottery. Why not limit the lottery to the 10 teams that already have their picks protected? It is simple - it keeps the lottery and the excitement and it solves the should this compensation protected or not. I agree with Mac. This year’s system needs some tweaking for sure. Keeping the top 2 picks within the top 10 should be something we’d all want anyways. How does the NBA handle this? I remember whatever they had as being pretty fair.
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Post by craigWhiteSox on May 31, 2020 14:47:26 GMT -5
This doesn’t seem confusing to me, if you had pick #12 prior to the lottery and get into the top two, the same rules of Top 10 picks being protected should apply. As it is a top 10 pick.
The draft order is not defined until AFTER the lottery, so shouldn’t we know what the top 10 picks are after ? Seems easy. Maybe I am missing something
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Post by AstrosGM_Shane on May 31, 2020 18:32:36 GMT -5
It’s the teams that just missed the playoffs is what it gives a huge advantage too via a dice roll. They will often be teams that are one of the better teams and often be teams woth higher budgets. It’s cool that it can be fun and they get a top pick but then you add in the fact that they can sign a comp free agent and only lose a 2nd rounder is way too much of an advantage to acquire via a dice roll in my opinion.
I like what Mac said and to keep it to the protected teams.
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Post by Arizona_PBL on May 31, 2020 19:30:39 GMT -5
I know I originally suggested that all non-playoff teams be eligible and yes this next suggestion will reduce the excitement of the lottery. Why not limit the lottery to the 10 teams that already have their picks protected? It is simple - it keeps the lottery and the excitement and it solves the should this compensation protected or not. I agree with Mac. This year’s system needs some tweaking for sure. Keeping the top 2 picks within the top 10 should be something we’d all want anyways. How does the NBA handle this? I remember whatever they had as being pretty fair. All non-playoff teams are included in the lottery for the NBA draft. The 36th annual NBA Draft Lottery will determine the order of selection for the first 14 picks of the 2020 NBA Draft. Drawings will be conducted to determine the first four picks in the NBA Draft. The remainder of the “lottery teams” will select in positions five through 14 in inverse order of their 2019-20 regular-season records. The actual lottery procedure will take place in a separate room just before ESPN’s national broadcast. Select media members, NBA officials and representatives of the participating teams and the accounting firm of Ernst & Young will be in attendance for the drawings. Fourteen ping-pong balls numbered 1 through 14 will be placed in a lottery machine. There are 1,001 possible combinations when four balls are drawn out of 14, without regard to their order of selection. Before the lottery, 1,000 of those 1,001 combinations will be assigned to the 14 participating lottery teams. The lottery machine is manufactured by the Smart Play Company, a leading manufacturer of state lottery machines throughout the United States. Smart Play also weighs, measures and certifies the ping-pong balls before the drawing. The drawing process occurs in the following manner: All 14 balls are placed in the lottery machine and they are mixed for 20 seconds, and then the first ball is removed. The remaining balls are mixed in the lottery machine for another 10 seconds, and then the second ball is drawn. There is a 10-second mix, and then the third ball is drawn. There is a 10-second mix, and then the fourth ball is drawn. The team that has been assigned that combination will receive the No. 1 pick. The same process is repeated with the same ping-pong balls and lottery machine for the second through fourth picks. If the same team comes up more than once, the result is discarded and another four-ball combination is selected. Also, if the one unassigned combination is drawn, the result is discarded and the balls are drawn again. The length of time the balls are mixed is monitored by a timekeeper who faces away from the machine and signals the machine operator after the appropriate amount of time has elapsed. Darrington Hobson, a partner in the accounting firm of Ernst & Young, oversees the entire lottery process and stuffs and seals the envelopes before bringing them to the studio for the broadcast. The announcement of the lottery results will be made by NBA Deputy Commissioner Mark Tatum. A second representative from each participating team will be seated on stage. Neither the Deputy Commissioner nor the team representatives on stage will be informed of the lottery results before the envelopes are opened. What are the odds for each team in the Draft Lottery? The changes implemented for 2020 will result in the following odds for teams starting with the reverse order of regular season record. Team > Odds at No. 1 Pick Team 1 > 14.0% Team 2 > 14.0% Team 3 >14.0% Team 4 > 12.5% Team 5 > 10.5% Team 6 > 9.0% Team 7 > 7.5% Team 8 > 6.0% Team 9 > 4.5% Team 10 > 3.0% Team 11 > 2.0% Team 12 > 1.5% Team 13 > 1.0% Team 14 > 0.5%
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