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Post by Commish_Ron on May 19, 2020 13:52:14 GMT -5
MLB awards a competitive balance pick to the 10 teams with the smallest markets. Should we do the same?
OOTP does not have a numeric value for market size. It is an enumeration. The two yes votes are split between where we would draw the line. Currently PBL has 2 small markets, 4 below average, and 6 average.
This is a new rule and requires 50% to pass. Both yes votes will contribute to the 50%. If it passes the larger of the two will be implemented. Proxy votes will be cast to yes, average and below.
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Post by MetDaMeats on May 19, 2020 14:08:22 GMT -5
Question: How is the pick implemented and what kinds of picks should teams expect? Same as the revenue poll?
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Post by Commish_Ron on May 19, 2020 14:13:54 GMT -5
Question: How is the pick implemented and what kinds of picks should teams expect? Good question. Depending on if both competitive balance rounds pass, we would either add the picks to the beginning of round 3, or insert a new round 3 to the draft pushing back the later rounds by one. So if both pass teams without competitive balance picks would only have the 4 picks they needed to sign. (Rounds 1,2,4 and 5) The order of the picks would be based on the revenues. Lowest revenue first. In short, teams would expect a high third round pick.
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Post by David_ExposGM on May 20, 2020 11:16:25 GMT -5
Should a "small market" team happen to win it all, will they (should they) still be compensated?
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Post by Commish_Ron on May 20, 2020 11:19:20 GMT -5
Should a "small market" team happen to win it all, will they (should they) still be compensated? "Should they" is certainly debatable. In this system they would be. In MLB they are. The basic theory is that by adding value to the organization in the form of a third round pick, the smaller markets can have more success and in the long run grow their market size.
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Post by sansterre - Milwaukee Brewers on May 20, 2020 11:22:33 GMT -5
Should a "small market" team happen to win it all, will they (should they) still be compensated? The theory generally goes that small market teams are inherently penalized. That making the playoffs is worth twice as much to large market teams as it is to small market teams (I made that number up, but you get the idea). That winning the World Series is worth much more to large market teams than small market teams. So no matter how well or badly a small market team does, they are always worse off (penalized by the economics of the game) than a large market team. So, even if a small market team wins the World Series, they are being penalized. And the purpose of the picks is to try and take the sting out of that penalty. Along this line of reasoning, the pick should be in place regardless of how the team performs. After all, we're not trying to help out bad GMs, we're trying to help out small market GMs (even though there is some small amount of overlap). But I get the argument to the contrary.
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Post by David_ExposGM on May 20, 2020 12:01:32 GMT -5
My only point is that I see this for smaller budget teams, but not as much for smaller market teams. Markets move so slow that I do not think a draft pick will impact that, while it will help a budget challenged team as it may inject another potential player coming up at minimum salary.
But not a huge concern. Just thought I would ask.
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Post by sansterre - Milwaukee Brewers on May 20, 2020 12:09:06 GMT -5
My only point is that I see this for smaller budget teams, but not as much for smaller market teams. Markets move so slow that I do not think a draft pick will impact that, while it will help a budget challenged team as it may inject another potential player coming up at minimum salary. But not a huge concern. Just thought I would ask. But of course, the counterpoint is that team market is more or less a function of randomness; certain teams have larger markets than others and that's that (yes, there is drift but it's so slow that for the purpose of this comparison I'm going to pretend like it doesn't exist). Conversely, team budget is a product of market size, your owner *and* success. Which means that, by comparison, the small market comp picks subsidize bad GMs considerably less than the low revenue comp picks (inasmuch as good and bad GMs can be found at any market size, but good GMs are more likely to be at the top of the budget list than the bottom, generally). So, of low budget teams and small market teams, low budget teams probably need the picks more, but probably deserve them less if that makes any sense. So it's really a question of which is more important to you.
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Post by Tim_GiantsGM on May 20, 2020 17:37:23 GMT -5
12 teams play in average and below markets. Do we seriously want to compensate nearly 40% of the league?
My answer is no.
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Post by Commish_Ron on May 20, 2020 18:36:54 GMT -5
13 teams play in average and below markets. Do we seriously want to compensate over 40% of the league? My answer is no. Only 6 are below average and under. That option is not getting a lot of love though.....
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Post by sansterre - Milwaukee Brewers on May 22, 2020 7:54:01 GMT -5
I was interested in looking into the relationship between market size and revenue. So I busted out a spreadsheet and: Arg! Why are all my graphs so small in this thing? Anyhow. Obviously there's a lot of spread. There's a below-average market team taking in more revenue than most of the league (Cleveland) and there's an astronomical market taking in less revenue than most of the league. However, overall, there's a pretty clear trend upward as you go farther to the right. And a linear regression basically sees going up a market size as being worth about $12.5M. Some of this is the product of effort (teams that have climbed markets have historically been good, so make more money) but I think this is a relatively limited phenomenon. The average Astronomical market makes about $50M more per year than the average "Above Average" market team. tldr Market size isn't everything, not by a long shot. But it is definitely something.
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Post by Commish_Ron on May 22, 2020 15:49:26 GMT -5
This poll passes. Teams with a market size of average and below will receive a pick between the second and third round.
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