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Post by Commish_Ron on Mar 15, 2018 15:27:44 GMT -5
I have received fairly passionate feedback, particularly against modifying player personality attributes. I am willing to roll that aspect out if that opinion is representative of the league in general. Please provide your feedback via this poll. Thanks.
Specifically, should these rewards be removed from the program?
150 points - 1 level bump to a players intelligence
250 points - 1 level reduction to a players greed
250 points - 1 level bump to a players local popularity
300 points - 1 level bump to a players work ethic
400 points - 1 level bump to a players national popularity
450 points - 1 level bump to a players leadership
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Post by sansterre - Milwaukee Brewers on Mar 15, 2018 16:05:30 GMT -5
To restate to ensure understanding: you're asking if we think the modification of player personality attributes should be considered fair game for the rewards system?
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Post by Commish_Ron on Mar 15, 2018 16:09:46 GMT -5
To restate to ensure understanding: you're asking if we think the modification of player personality attributes should be considered fair game for the rewards system? Thanks for the confirmation. It could be clearer. I am asking specifically if these rewards should be removed from the system. 150 points - 1 level bump to a players intelligence 250 points - 1 level reduction to a players greed 250 points - 1 level bump to a players local popularity 300 points - 1 level bump to a players work ethic 400 points - 1 level bump to a players national popularity 450 points - 1 level bump to a players leadership
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Post by David_ExposGM on Mar 15, 2018 17:17:49 GMT -5
Sorry, not to be difficult, but I am not going to cast a ballot.
The entire program was unilaterally implemented. IMHO now voting to remove only a portion of it does nothing to change my mind about having zero interest in any of it.
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Post by NickP_Marlins GM on Mar 15, 2018 21:04:48 GMT -5
Sorry, not to be difficult, but I am not going to cast a ballot. The entire program was unilaterally implemented. IMHO now voting to remove only a portion of it does nothing to change my mind about having zero interest in any of it. You can always leave and go play somewhere else. I’m sure they’ll be happy to have such responses as the above in their league.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Mar 15, 2018 21:25:32 GMT -5
Sorry, not to be difficult, but I am not going to cast a ballot. The entire program was unilaterally implemented. IMHO now voting to remove only a portion of it does nothing to change my mind about having zero interest in any of it. You can always leave and go play somewhere else. I’m sure they’ll be happy to have such responses as the above in their league. An opposing view discouraged. Noted.
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Post by NickP_Marlins GM on Mar 15, 2018 21:50:01 GMT -5
You can always leave and go play somewhere else. I’m sure they’ll be happy to have such responses as the above in their league. An opposing view discouraged. Noted. No vote. No points. Noted.
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Post by craigWhiteSox on Mar 15, 2018 22:15:48 GMT -5
An opposing view discouraged. Noted. No vote. No points. Noted. David is one of he best GMs in the PBL, nor is he contentious or picks meaningless fights. Not sure why you're singling him out here. I am firmly against this as well. No one has made any take my ball home threats though
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Post by Texas Rangers on Mar 16, 2018 0:57:39 GMT -5
The entire program was unilaterally implemented. I voted, but I agree with this sentiment.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Mar 16, 2018 5:57:25 GMT -5
An opposing view discouraged. Noted. No vote. No points. Noted. So the new program continues to evolve? Better cast a vote after all then.
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Post by NickP_Marlins GM on Mar 16, 2018 6:11:58 GMT -5
No vote. No points. Noted. So the new program continues to evolve? Better cast a vote after all then. You throwing shade with every post is the only thing evolving.
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Mar 16, 2018 7:33:29 GMT -5
I'm just going to throw out what is not being said....Also Please no one take this as a personal attack or anything like that because its not meant to be.
Ron spent a lot of time and energy developing something for the league that he as commissioner thought would provide improvement to the league, which is what makes Ron a great commissioner.
Ron provided that he did discuss this idea with several GMs prior to announcing it and would like to implement it for one year to see how it works.
There are a few "problems" with this program as I see it.
First, as I said before, my main issue is that the credits program proposes to change player traits/attributes. I have a severe problem with that as changing players should never ever be on the table or allowed to occur. Player cosmetic items like nick names are fine.
Secondly, while I understand why Ron decided not to put the program up for a vote, I think that some, myself included, would have liked to have a chance to comment on it prior to implementing it and that the fact that some GMs, but not all, actually had a chance to comment on it prior to its implementation I think may have rub some of us the wrong way as well.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Mar 16, 2018 8:22:31 GMT -5
I TOO really appreciate all the work Ron does for this league and I know all too well it's both a lot of work and is often a tough gig trying to please 32 individuals.
Also please understand GM's can have both great passion for the league and want to it succeed. And certainly hope it will improve and would happily contribute to encourage more involvement in the forum, which is why most of us already contribute here. I consider this a great league and I am quite happy to be part of it and try to contribute as often as possible. But can we not also have opposing views and challenge proposals so that they might be altered and improved, based on experience, before running into potential issues that will have to be corrected or undone? Hope so?
Obviously we will live with this for the next season. That's fine.
And THANK YOU for the vote above. Whether now, or a season from now, this is an important point to be thoroughly discussed.
Instead of a blanket "100% Opposed", let me add another point I feel is as important as player alteration. Not to tear down the original proposal, but just to point out a potential issue, much like this poll. And, I will use a couple of key points from the original post ONLY to iilustrate this.
Commissioner: "The way I have it figured an active GM should be able to accrue approximately 300 credits in a season." and "1 point - $10,000 cash" and "Rewards can roll over and accumulate indefinitely."
Cherry-picking those lines - If every GM were to hit 300 points (and some will accumulate more of course) and every GM were to go a simple route and turn points to cash for their team in the game (I certainly would), that COULD add just under $100-Million dollars to the league annually. From out of nowhere.
Or if they hoard for a few seasons, then it's just a different application of the issue.
I raise this NOT to simply be disruptive, but to again point out this is an external points program altering the game itself and could easily cause problems with the finances.
I LIKE this league. I will CONTINUE to support this league. I want this to be an outstanding experience for all PBL GM's.
That's all.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Mar 16, 2018 13:41:04 GMT -5
I like the initiative Ron is taking because change needs to happen to continue to thrive as a league BUT ALSO change needs to happen to keep a Commissioner interested. I can say that from first-hand experience. The first few years of the PBL, I did a lot of different things to keep it exciting, keep me interested and motivated and I wasn't afraid to mess with budgets, etc. Even then some decisions were split, some were all for it then sometimes most didn't like it but as long as the respect and TRUST is there for the Commissioner it will be fine. The last few seasons I relied too much on the opinions of others and truthfully it made me lose sight of what I built in the PBL.
David, you took over the ABL for a short period of time and you seen the impact it had on you and was a reason you stepped down abruptly (THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM)but trying to make 20-25 forget 30+ GMs happy with a decision on everything that needs a decision to be made on can wear you down and ruin the fun.
I commend Ron 100% on taking chances, doing what his gut tells him to do and honestly, I think everyone will give it a shot even if they don't like it and my personal opinion is if people quit over a commissioner decision then its best for the league in the long run. Every GM is important but when you have a GREAT commissioner and someone who cares about running the league, that is far more rare to find than a good General Manager.
Give Change a Chance! Viva La PBL! Keep up the great work Ron and go with your gut!
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Post by Nick_BrewersGM on Jun 3, 2018 16:18:35 GMT -5
can someone bring me up to speed on this. What exactly is happening?
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