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Post by Arizona_PBL on Dec 5, 2017 13:39:49 GMT -5
It appears that John McCain has changed his vote.......Drama......
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Post by MetDaMeats on Dec 5, 2017 14:47:48 GMT -5
MOTION UNFAILED!
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Post by MetDaMeats on Dec 5, 2017 15:37:27 GMT -5
Um... Motion refailed?
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Post by BlueJaysGM_Fin on Dec 5, 2017 19:31:18 GMT -5
I love this league and want to continue to see it flourish. So i will go on the record why I voted yes, if only to give me a voice in the discussion.
I really wish I could go back in previous seasons to see each player's injury rating. The reason is tied to seeing if any shift has occurred since moving to '18. As it stands, the following data is from the game:At first blush, 49% of hitters are rated with a 'Normal' injury history. 48% of pitchers are rated with an injury history of 'Normal'. Seems pretty balanced, and without context to what those numbers mean compared to the MLB (or the history of the PBL for that matter), at least those numbers are not glaring in a bad way. Conversely, 30% of hitters are 'Fragile'/'Wrecked' while 26% of pitchers are 'Fragile'/'Wrecked' rated.
Diving deeper though, only 22% of hitters are 'Iron Man' or 'Durable' rated. Pitchers are 26% 'Iron Man' or 'Durable'. And here is why that is an issue. Using the current injury setting, players are moving from 'Durable' to 'Normal' quicker, because there are more injuries. And that will eat away at the 'Normal' rated players, which means the pool of 'Fragile'/'Wrecked' players will only get larger. And the 'Iron Man'/'Durable' pool of players will only get smaller.
Finally, with an emphasis of GMs targeting the shrinking pool of 'Iron Man'/'Durable' players, it's going to create an artificial market of players whose value will over-inflate. Meanwhile, the pile of 'Fragile'/'Wreaked' players will sit on the sideline and wilt and die. So imagine what this league's rich history would look like if that were the state of the league, today?
If a simple fix is to lower the injury rating, then it is my position we should do it to create a better balanced league of talent. It's my position, if the game changes the base layer we are used to, then we should counter-act it to help us maintain (as best we can) our history.
That is my take on this issue.
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Post by BlueJaysGM_Fin on Dec 5, 2017 19:52:53 GMT -5
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Post by Texas Rangers on Dec 5, 2017 22:29:15 GMT -5
Fin's point about injury tendency is important. I had multiple players have their tendency to get injured increase. Realistically, 30 years from today I'd expect baseball injuries and treatment to improve
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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on Dec 6, 2017 0:17:00 GMT -5
Fin's point about injury tendency is important. I had multiple players have their tendency to get injured increase. Realistically, 30 years from today I'd expect baseball injuries and treatment to improve Not sure I agree about less injuries in the future. There are more injuries now (in all sports) than there was 20 or 30 years ago, despite the advancements in medical care.
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Dec 6, 2017 10:11:03 GMT -5
Fin's point about injury tendency is important. I had multiple players have their tendency to get injured increase. Realistically, 30 years from today I'd expect baseball injuries and treatment to improve Not sure I agree about less injuries in the future. There are more injuries now (in all sports) than there was 20 or 30 years ago, despite the advancements in medical care. I don't think that's true. Many injuries that sideline players today are due to precautionary issues more than anything. Players used to play through these injuries because their livelihood depended on it. In today's game of guaranteed money and big contracts, there's less incentive to keep playing through something minor. Medical advancements have made the success rate for returning from injuries such as Tommy John much higher, and some pitchers actually throw harder after the injury.
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Dec 6, 2017 10:18:56 GMT -5
We are at 24 yes, which is the magic number to pass.
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Post by MetDaMeats on Dec 6, 2017 10:42:25 GMT -5
You guys are making it very difficult to loudly declare victory or defeat.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Dec 6, 2017 11:54:13 GMT -5
I can't remember but did we turn off the ability to see if a guy is "fragile" or "Iron man?" In one league I am in we did that. I'm not in favor of it. I think having this info allows you to see that you may be taking a risk when you acquire this guy. You can also see his injury history that should also tell you if you have a higher chance for injury with this guy. I'm sure you all know all of this but just tossing it out there. I hate injuries as much as anyone else but they are a part of the game. The ABL does not show injury rating. The benefit is players with a label of 'wrecked' or 'fragile' are not immediately dismissed by GMs. They have to look over their history and come to a determination on if that player can sustain for a season but labels ruin value to a degree.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Dec 6, 2017 11:59:48 GMT -5
Lets just turn injuries off... and while were at it turn fatigue off... and suspensions too... and the financial stuff too! Anthony, you are throwing a fit but not bringing anything to the argument. Kind of disappointing since you are so good at this game but you really don't see a difference between injuries occurring and too many occurring in a game to make the most die-hard OOTP fans uninterested? Honestly, if Tim (SF) feels its a bit too much then that alone speaks VOLUMES in my mind. He has always been a voice of reason, even when I don't initially see it.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Dec 6, 2017 12:02:41 GMT -5
Lets just turn injuries off... and while were at it turn fatigue off... and suspensions too... and the financial stuff too! Anthony, you are throwing a fit but not bringing anything to the argument. Kind of disappointing since you are so good at this game but you really don't see a difference between injuries occurring and too many occurring in a game to make the most die-hard OOTP fans uninterested? Honestly, if Tim (SF) feels its a bit too much then that alone speaks VOLUMES in my mind. He has always been a voice of reason, even when I don't initially see it. Didn't realize I couldn't post a sarcastic comment. Everyone is trying to make this game easier, while I enjoy a challenge of having to deal with injuries and build depth. I'll be happy to show you my league(s) and the amount of injuries in my league. I've seen 2-3x the amount of injuries on my teams than in PBL.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Dec 6, 2017 13:52:07 GMT -5
Anthony, you are throwing a fit but not bringing anything to the argument. Kind of disappointing since you are so good at this game but you really don't see a difference between injuries occurring and too many occurring in a game to make the most die-hard OOTP fans uninterested? Honestly, if Tim (SF) feels its a bit too much then that alone speaks VOLUMES in my mind. He has always been a voice of reason, even when I don't initially see it. Didn't realize I couldn't post a sarcastic comment. Everyone is trying to make this game easier, while I enjoy a challenge of having to deal with injuries and build depth. I'll be happy to show you my league(s) and the amount of injuries in my league. I've seen 2-3x the amount of injuries on my teams than in PBL. You can post what you want, just seems like its knocking those who don't like the injuries as not being competitive like some others. I got DECIMATED with injuries in the two leagues I am in. As much as I hated it and bitched, I dealt with it. The problem is there are people in online leagues who will not and they will jump ship and move on and create revolving doors of GMs for a handful of teams. I don't think seeing a ton of injuries is beneficial in any way, except for bragging rights of who has bigger balls and can build a better team 40+ deep.
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Dec 6, 2017 14:04:40 GMT -5
except for bragging rights of who has bigger balls and can build a better team 40+ deep. BIG BALLS
No Balls
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