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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on Oct 26, 2017 8:36:57 GMT -5
You know the summary star ratings - 1 to 5 stars. Those dumbass ratings that make it hard to make trades because the other GM complains that he can't make a trade cuz a player only has 2 stars , despite great stats and solid skill ratings. Take a look at a "Star Issue" with one of my players. Maybe someone can explain what is going on. The player is Jim Shaw, a decent to solid prospect I recently called back up. Here is a screenshot of his scouting report page And here is a look at his Development page Ok that matches up. But now let's look at his Profile Page How does he only show 1 star, when every other page shows 3 stars? I find this to be frustrating. I have put Shaw's name out there on a couple of trade offers and if the other GM doesn't take a good look they are going to just assume I am offering garbage when in fact I feel like I'm offering a quality prospect. I would love for us turn off the Star Rating. I think we will see more trades and player movement if we did that. Does anybody have any thoughts or explanation for any of this?
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Post by earlweaver on Oct 26, 2017 9:24:46 GMT -5
to me, star ratings are just a general indicator of talent. Thats important though, because i need that measure of talent when searching for players on my team and other teams. Without that measure, finding guys becomes work, and i'm not interested in making this game become work.
I understand your frustration, but it's necessary in my opinion.
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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on Oct 26, 2017 9:38:46 GMT -5
to me, star ratings are just a general indicator of talent. Thats important though, because i need that measure of talent when searching for players on my team and other teams. Without that measure, finding guys becomes work, and i'm not interested in making this game become work. I understand your frustration, but it's necessary in my opinion. I get what you are saying. The star ratings should be a great shortcut that should make it easier for us to find talent. But when players that are 3 star talent show as 1 star it is doing the exact opposite.
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Oct 26, 2017 9:46:12 GMT -5
to me, star ratings are just a general indicator of talent. Thats important though, because i need that measure of talent when searching for players on my team and other teams. Without that measure, finding guys becomes work, and i'm not interested in making this game become work. I understand your frustration, but it's necessary in my opinion. I get what you are saying. The star ratings should be a great shortcut that should make it easier for us to find talent. But when players that are 3 star talent show as 1 star it is doing the exact opposite. My understanding of the star rating is that it's a comparison with the other players at that same position. Did you happen to change the position of that player which has resulted in a change in the star rating?
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Post by Texas Rangers on Oct 26, 2017 9:55:56 GMT -5
use the star ratings to house lazy folk in trade. The stars are your pal!
Consider the flip side, you snag a 1.5 star who is legitimately good in exchange for a couple of 4 star scrubs. I looooove star ratings!
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Post by sansterre - Milwaukee Brewers on Oct 26, 2017 9:56:57 GMT -5
Changing position definitely affects the ratings.
Star ratings are sort of a toss-up for me. I think they mean more than nothing. And I think they're a handy short-hand but they're not great with players on the margins.
I've had plenty of 2-3 star players who I thought were worthless and another plenty 0.5 or 1 star players who I actually thought were at least moderately valuable. It's just like anything else; trade your players whose stars overrate their value and try and accumulate players whose value is better than their stars. If you can demonstrate a better understanding of player value than the star rating you'll profit, because star rating is (for better or for worse) the baseline for how everyone quickly estimates value.
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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on Oct 26, 2017 9:59:31 GMT -5
I get what you are saying. The star ratings should be a great shortcut that should make it easier for us to find talent. But when players that are 3 star talent show as 1 star it is doing the exact opposite. My understanding of the star rating is that it's a comparison with the other players at that same position. Did you happen to change the position of that player which has resulted in a change in the star rating? Thanks Sean for clearing that up. You are right. I changed his position from LF to CF. When I just changed it back his rating shot back up to 3.5 stars. That also makes for an interesting point. By manipulating what position a player is listed at we can effect the star rating everyone sees. Doesn't make me like the star ratings any better, but at least I understand it now.
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Oct 26, 2017 10:04:32 GMT -5
My understanding of the star rating is that it's a comparison with the other players at that same position. Did you happen to change the position of that player which has resulted in a change in the star rating? Thanks Sean for clearing that up. You are right. I changed his position from LF to CF. When I just changed it back his rating shot back up to 3.5 stars. That also makes for an interesting point. By manipulating what position a player is listed at we can effect the star rating everyone sees. Doesn't make me like the star ratings any better, but at least I understand it now. Many people do this with pitchers. Be wary of relying on reports while looking at a pitcher because they do not differentiate the RP vs SP distinction.
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Post by NickP_Marlins GM on Oct 26, 2017 18:39:37 GMT -5
Thanks Sean for clearing that up. You are right. I changed his position from LF to CF. When I just changed it back his rating shot back up to 3.5 stars. That also makes for an interesting point. By manipulating what position a player is listed at we can effect the star rating everyone sees. Doesn't make me like the star ratings any better, but at least I understand it now. Many people do this with pitchers. Be wary of relying on reports while looking at a pitcher because they do not differentiate the RP vs SP distinction. Shhhhh........lol
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Post by BlueJaysGM_Fin on Oct 26, 2017 18:46:23 GMT -5
My understanding of the star rating is that it's a comparison with the other players at that same position. Did you happen to change the position of that player which has resulted in a change in the star rating? Thanks Sean for clearing that up. You are right. I changed his position from LF to CF. When I just changed it back his rating shot back up to 3.5 stars. That also makes for an interesting point. By manipulating what position a player is listed at we can effect the star rating everyone sees. Doesn't make me like the star ratings any better, but at least I understand it now. I think you hit on the point, here. Don't judge player talent by stars, but look for talents you think can help your team win. Need a fast, solid defensive outfielder? He may be rated a 1 star, but expect +WAR as a potential. Digging deeper into the ratings, personality, scouting reports, injury history & performance (look for decent to good sample size) CAN net you good returns in any trade. I don't judge trades with stars. Because I know I seek certain player profiles, so i expect other GMs do the same. Just my contribution to this very good thread. Thanks for sharing this Mac!
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Post by NickP_Marlins GM on Oct 26, 2017 22:33:32 GMT -5
It's more of a tool to show you what the game "thinks" the player could be.
Some 1 star players will thrive in certain situations but most won't. Just like some 5 star players have all the potential in the world but when used improperly or not surrounded by other talent they will just be average at best.
We all see the players differently but that's the cool part. I've learned so much from watching how everyone values players and sets their teams up. Taking bits and pieces from each and building your own is what makes the PBL great. You actually can see it unfold and if it's bad, just re rack and try something else.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Oct 27, 2017 7:06:52 GMT -5
I use the stars to organize my thoughts in a sense or find players but never to evaluate trades or free agents, etc.
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Post by Luc_AZdbacks on Oct 27, 2017 18:08:52 GMT -5
I tend to like star ratings more than the average GM. They definitely have their flaws, but for most players it seems to be pretty accurate. Personally, I feel like the average GM undervalues defence, and I think that star ratings put a lot of weight in defence.
Now that said, my best player right now is a 1.5 star RF, who has 10 more doubles than the next closest player in the entire PBL... but all in all, I think that the ratings are pretty useful to place players in a general category.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Oct 27, 2017 18:52:24 GMT -5
Pro Tip: Some leagues are setup differently than others, but a tip you can try is to go to player profile, click the " EDITOR" button (in the stats line of buttons) and that will show you some basic information (kind of like "Commissioner Light"). While you can manipulate some things, none of it "sticks" when you export (unless you are the Commissioner of course and he sees a WHOLE lot more). BUT one thing you can do it change a players position in that window and that will be reflected in the "stars" temporarily. Good for sniffing out dubious "positions"! TRY IT RIGHT NOW if you want a demo on Dexter Williams on the waiver wire. In his case RP is correct, but change him to SP and see how it reflects that.
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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on Oct 27, 2017 19:04:42 GMT -5
Pro Tip: Some leagues are setup differently than others, but a tip you can try is to go to player profile, click the " EDITOR" button (in the stats line of buttons) and that will show you some basic information (kind of like "Commissioner Light"). While you can manipulate some things, none of it "sticks" when you export (unless you are the Commissioner of course and he sees a WHOLE lot more). BUT one thing you can do it change a players position in that window and that will be reflected in the "stars" temporarily. Good for sniffing out dubious "positions"! TRY IT RIGHT NOW if you want a demo on Dexter Williams on the waiver wire. In his case RP is correct, but change him to SP and see how it reflects that. Thanks for the pro tip.
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