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Post by David_ExposGM on Dec 14, 2016 13:11:05 GMT -5
I happen to be following the Jays off-season news and would like to see them re-sign Encarnacion (instead of Bautista), not sure it will happen, but... so the attached Rosenthal article interested me. If you JUST read the first few paragraphs (down to the Edwin pic) you will see what I feel is also pertinent information for PBL. Some franchises, markets, owners and general situations are tougher than others. As (in my opinion) it should be. We, as PBL GM's, should be challenged in different ways, depending where you choose to operate. * Another reason I would love to see GM firings (in a logical, "fun"-ish, way), so you are forced to take on a challenge with a different franchise, but I totally get that many (most) simply want to have fun and play their fave team! Nothing wrong with that either!www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/edwin-encarnacion-indians-non-waiver-deadline-greg-holland-scott-boras-notes-121416Hope you fine it interesting?
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Dec 14, 2016 14:28:30 GMT -5
David,
I have been a fan of that idea for a LONG time now. I always wanted to find a way to incorporate GM firings. The problem I had is making it fair, you couldn't just fire one person. I wouldn't mind being fired for not meeting a goal but some might hate it and we could lose good GMs, etc.
It's such an interesting concept but not sure it is a realistic one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 15:25:16 GMT -5
Maybe some people would want to be able to be fired, you let them be fired and give them an open job(if there is one), and those who wont want to be fired, if they are fired, you can just reassign them to their old team?maybe thats an oversimplified version of what could happen
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Post by earlweaver on Dec 14, 2016 15:33:09 GMT -5
i personally wouldn't accept a firing. But, if we can come up with a list of people who are ok with that being an option, and turn the option on, then you have a group and market for the option. Anyone not opting in, gets to stay at their team as long as they want.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Dec 14, 2016 15:45:08 GMT -5
NOT suggesting we go that route. But I would be a fan of a league where that was the case (with a group of GM's that welcomed that concept of course). I also think the logistics of the "house rules" to make it happen would be rather significant (trust me, I've thought long and hard about it). Often you hear the point raised, here and any league, "the league is in 2040 (or any other future date)" and we should contemplate "X" as a result. The minute I hear that I ALWAYS think of a GM's employment window in the game! BUT don't let that sway the conversation. My initial point was the challenges of individual markets, fan support, owner budgets, etc. in that article. That can certainly provide enough challenge! And maybe if your situation deteriorates and you find yourself with a crappy market, no budget, meddling owner, zero fan support and multiple CEI's that have destroyed every prospect in your farm, you might be BEGGING to move to a new franchise anyway!!!! Need the off-season to come...I clearly have to much "thinkin' time" on my hands now that I'm out of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by David_ExposGM on Dec 14, 2016 15:46:31 GMT -5
i personally wouldn't accept a firing. But, if we can come up with a list of people who are ok with that being an option, and turn the option on, then you have a group and market for the option. Anyone not opting in, gets to stay at their team as long as they want. You shouldn't - at the moment - you're in the WORLD SERIES BABY!!!!!!!!!! Good Luck.
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Dec 14, 2016 18:55:26 GMT -5
NOT suggesting we go that route. But I would be a fan of a league where that was the case (with a group of GM's that welcomed that concept of course). I also think the logistics of the "house rules" to make it happen would be rather significant (trust me, I've thought long and hard about it). Often you hear the point raised, here and any league, "the league is in 2040 (or any other future date)" and we should contemplate "X" as a result. The minute I hear that I ALWAYS think of a GM's employment window in the game! BUT don't let that sway the conversation. My initial point was the challenges of individual markets, fan support, owner budgets, etc. in that article. That can certainly provide enough challenge! And maybe if your situation deteriorates and you find yourself with a crappy market, no budget, meddling owner, zero fan support and multiple CEI's that have destroyed every prospect in your farm, you might be BEGGING to move to a new franchise anyway!!!! Need the off-season to come...I clearly have to much "thinkin' time" on my hands now that I'm out of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In some cases, a firing would be better for a GM than to continue trying to dig out of a hole. That being said, the in game goals are a joke IMO. For example, you've built your team to get on base and hit home runs. Your owner wants you to lead the league in sb. This goes against what you are trying to build. How do you determine someone should be fired? How does this benefit the league (in my best Anthony voice)? I'm kind of confused how you can be against the idea of new stadiums David but for firing GMs.
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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on Dec 14, 2016 19:09:10 GMT -5
Isn't life tough enough without having to worry about being fired by an fictitious owner within a game that we play for fun?
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Post by David_ExposGM on Dec 14, 2016 19:31:58 GMT -5
Isn't life tough enough without having to worry about being fired by an fictitious owner within a game that we play for fun? That challenge would add to my "fun"! Again, not suggesting this at all, just an opinion.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Dec 14, 2016 20:32:27 GMT -5
In some cases, a firing would be better for a GM than to continue trying to dig out of a hole. That being said, the in game goals are a joke IMO. For example, you've built your team to get on base and hit home runs. Your owner wants you to lead the league in sb. This goes against what you are trying to build. How do you determine someone should be fired? How does this benefit the league (in my best Anthony voice)? I'm kind of confused how you can be against the idea of new stadiums David but for firing GMs. Sean, Was simply an opinion. Forget I even raised it when the focus was to be on something entirely different.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Dec 14, 2016 21:18:07 GMT -5
One idea I had about this when I thought long and hard about this was not to go by a goal of an owner who may not be realistic, etc but by a GMs OWN PERSONAL GOAL(s) he has set.
Example me being in Boston, I would say I want a .550+ winning percentage over the next 4 seasons, 3 playoff appearances and 1 World Series.
What if you were to accept both sides of this debate. Let teams 'Opt in' if they want this challenge and allow them to set their own goals and if they don't make it then they get "FIRED" and can choose between any team that had a GM fired OR any current open teams. If a team is open during the season, a GM can fire himself for poor performance half way through a season. They will be responsible for their own hiring/firing.
Could be a fun story line?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 21:36:36 GMT -5
What if the only team open is the one you got fired from though?
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Post by NickP_Marlins GM on Dec 14, 2016 22:02:33 GMT -5
So what would happen when an owner is such a prick that no one would work for him?
I believe it would benefit the newer and learning GMs the comfort of having a static budget and nothing else to focus on but winning. The rest is just stuff to entertain those of us who know 99% of what we're doing.
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Post by Peter - Boston Red Sox on Dec 15, 2016 12:48:17 GMT -5
I'm not in favor of the option to be fired. Although, the fans in Chicago probably would disagree and say I should get the boot! But the IRL Cubs have been my team for 30+ years and the PBL Cubs have become my team. I've had two drafts now and really want to see what the kids I drafted can do. I've got some decent kids coming up soon.
No interest at all in switching/being fired.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Dec 15, 2016 15:00:27 GMT -5
Again, forget I even made the comment. :-)
I think this is one idea that would never find consensus, and might even cause some to bolt. Truly think the best option would be to start with something well thought out in place and allow people to opt-into the league instead of trying to force something.
And, as I have mentioned, I was move focused on just the fact that each market, owner and franchise is different and has different budget, personnel and owner challenges in the article posted, as it should be. Not everyone can or should have unlimited resources (or even a level playing field). That would be pretty boring, in my opinion (only)!!
Let's move on and focus on the PBL WORLD SERIES!!!
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