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Post by Peter - Boston Red Sox on Dec 4, 2016 18:29:31 GMT -5
Why should I care where the player im trading or trading for is on the prospect list? Im not sure how this helps us any. A couple of examples: GMs sign the players that were drafted in the first year player draft. The prospect list and organization rankings are immediately updated (i.e., in early July vs. the next spring) to include the new prospects. If I drafted one of the top players in the draft, I would like to see him included in the top prospects list without waiting until the next spring. During the season GMs call up top prospects and play them enough that they no longer are considered prospects. The prospect list and organizational rankings are immediately updated to reflect the changes. In short, annual rankings become more and more out of date as a season progresses. Dynamic rankings are based on current prospects and, therefore, provide a more accurate representation of top prospects and organizational rankings. Sounds good to me!
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Dec 4, 2016 18:48:13 GMT -5
If this is something you don't care about and has no negative impact on you, then what's the problem? Seriously? I asked how it helped us. Im asking to be sold on the feature. I prefer seeing the opening day updated prospect list and systems. But just for the way you responded im against this change now. Really? Tim explained to you what they were and then you're asking why you should care about the current prospect ratings when trading. There was no sarcasm in my question to you. If some people would like to see updated ratings, then what is the harm of doing this?
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Dec 4, 2016 19:05:52 GMT -5
Seriously? I asked how it helped us. Im asking to be sold on the feature. I prefer seeing the opening day updated prospect list and systems. But just for the way you responded im against this change now. Really? Tim explained to you what they were and then you're asking why you should care about the current prospect ratings when trading. There was no sarcasm in my question to you. If some people would like to see updated ratings, then what is the harm of doing this? There was sarcasm in your post and Tim explained it in more detail after your response to me. I still dont understand the benefit to this change, I don't agree or see the need with having to see an updated or current prospect list in August.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 19:27:40 GMT -5
Theres gotta be some sort of downside to this or else it wouldve already been implemented. Does it take up more space than annual, does it mess up prospect rankings or something? It sounds to me theres no downsides to this and I support it
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Post by Texas Rangers on Dec 4, 2016 19:47:21 GMT -5
Really? Tim explained to you what they were and then you're asking why you should care about the current prospect ratings when trading. There was no sarcasm in my question to you. If some people would like to see updated ratings, then what is the harm of doing this? There was sarcasm in your post and Tim explained it in more detail after your response to me. I still dont understand the benefit to this change, I don't agree or see the need with having to see an updated or current prospect list in August. Let's say your owner wants you to acquire a top prospect. You make a trade with a team for a top prospect, and he's ready for the big leagues now. He is called up, preforms well and develops further. He receives over 150 at bats and loses his rookie/prospect status. The next year when prospect lists update, he isn't on the list. You did as your owner asked. You played him in the major leagues and he improved, which benefits your team. He never is counted as a prospect,though, so your owner is irritated at you for not doing what he asked, even though you did. So there's a tangible, practical example. Furthermore, prospect lists get updated multiple times per year in real life, not once a year. I see no reason to be resistant to this change regardless of whether or not you believe someone was rude to you in their comments.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Dec 4, 2016 19:52:38 GMT -5
So there's a tangible, practical example. Furthermore, prospect lists get updated multiple times per year in real life, not once a year. I see no reason to be resistant to this change regardless of whether or not you believe someone was rude to you in their comments. I dont agree with the change. Simple as that.
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Dec 4, 2016 21:14:15 GMT -5
So there's a tangible, practical example. Furthermore, prospect lists get updated multiple times per year in real life, not once a year. I see no reason to be resistant to this change regardless of whether or not you believe someone was rude to you in their comments. I dont agree with the change. Simple as that. Can you sell your opposition to us please? No sarcasm, just trying to understand your reasoning.
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Post by Ryan_NatsGM on Dec 4, 2016 22:13:13 GMT -5
Theres gotta be some sort of downside to this or else it wouldve already been implemented. Does it take up more space than annual, does it mess up prospect rankings or something? It sounds to me theres no downsides to this and I support it The game is apparently recalculating the prospect rankings constantly. One of my owner's goals is to have a top prospect, so I can see who my top prospect is and where they're ranked, and it changes from sim to sim. So I don't think space or sim length are issues, it's probably just a matter of how often the top 100 list is synced with the game's calculations (though I'm no expert on the inner workings of OOTP). I'm in favor of it as another data point to see how my top prospects are trending. I'm even more in favor of Tim's suggestion on player ratings by level, which would help minor league micromanagers like myself out quite a bit.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Dec 4, 2016 22:26:04 GMT -5
I dont agree with the change. Simple as that. Can you sell your opposition to us please? No sarcasm, just trying to understand your reasoning. Because I don't see it as a benefit. Several people have used trade negotiations as a reason for this but why are you basing trades off of a OOTP ranking system? Why does it matter what rank your 1st round pick was this year and why do you need him on the prospect list right away?
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Dec 4, 2016 23:34:41 GMT -5
This will get more discussion but as of right now I see no harm is making this change and unless something is presented to be considered a negative, this could be done in the off-season.
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Post by Texas Rangers on Dec 5, 2016 2:28:59 GMT -5
Can you sell your opposition to us please? No sarcasm, just trying to understand your reasoning. Because I don't see it as a benefit. Several people have used trade negotiations as a reason for this but why are you basing trades off of a OOTP ranking system? Why does it matter what rank your 1st round pick was this year and why do you need him on the prospect list right away? What of my example? Owners base budgets in part off of whether or not you meet their goals, and if one of your goals is to provide prospects (Texas has two prospect-related goals from their owner right now) then prospect lists play a role in budgets. There is a tangible reason to make this change that has nothing to do with trade philosophy.
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Post by Luc_AZdbacks on Dec 5, 2016 13:52:58 GMT -5
Definitely on board with this, can't see any downside to it
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Dec 5, 2016 19:36:49 GMT -5
Also on board with it
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Post by BrianTwins on Dec 6, 2016 1:35:52 GMT -5
I am also on board with this proposal, this should be added to the game. I've been reading this thread for the last day or two and I can't think of a good reason not to include this. Is there any reason not to include this? Does anyone have an argument against putting this into the game? Anyone, anyone? ...Bueller? ...Bueller?
If I try and play devils advocate, the only thing that I can possibly reach for (and I feel like I am grabbing at straws here) is that by not updating the scouting dynamically, the game is interjected with some level of a "fog of war" that might be naturally present with human scouts in the real world. By this I mean that in real life human scouts are probably not able to scout every player every day. Because we have scouting turned on in game, we are given fairly automatic updates with regards to players current attributes. This might not be something that a real world scouting staff would be able to accomplish(?). Therefore, by having scouting lists published only on an annual basis, the game more accurately reflects what is the reality of MLB front offices.
With that said, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that professional MLB scouts do indeed scout most players on a fairly regular basis in order to keep their files updated and as accurate as possible. I am not currently aware of what MLB scouting practices are. If someone does know about MLB scouting practices, please share! I would love to know more!
Additionally, I feel like the concept of a "fog of war" is interjected into the game at present with the attributes rated on a 1-10 scale rather than the 0-100 or 20-80 scales (or perhaps another scale that I'm forgetting at the moement). Thus, the scouting ratings update being restricted to an annual update is an unnecessary redundancy to achieve this effect.
Again, I feel that I am grasping at straws trying to play devils advocate above. I like the idea of dynamic ratings, and agree with many of the points that have previously been made, especially regarding owners goals. Not to mention, I just like to see how my minor league system is currently stocked. The more current and updated data points the better in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 0:41:34 GMT -5
Any chance of this getting implemented for this upcoming season?
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