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Post by Wilson_DodgersGM on Dec 12, 2017 18:06:24 GMT -5
Oh, I wonder why mine says this
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Post by Wilson_DodgersGM on Dec 12, 2017 18:18:42 GMT -5
Attached are the league revenue settings. We are already sharing the national media equally. Does not look like there is any way to make local media consistent. We could look at increasing the luxury tax. If we want to level out the financials I think the most effective and immediate change would be to raise the percent of the gate that the visiting team gets. Currently it is 20%. We could go to 50%. This could be a significant change in many teams finances though so would probably be looking at it for next season or the following so teams could prepare. 50% seems very, very extreme. Wouldn't that create a wide variance year to year in your financials depending on who you were matched up with in interleague play? 40% is double the current amount and also still keeps the slight majority of profit going to the team who hosted the game which seems more fair.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Dec 12, 2017 18:30:39 GMT -5
Before this goes too far, as I mentioned, my intention was not to ignite a bunch of "I think we should" suggestions. If there is a concrete - DO THIS and the results will alleviate the predicament, then that might be something for consideration. Otherwise we really risk causing further damage financially to the game as it stands.
Good discussion points though. Quite clearly PBL has functioned for an awfully long time without a lot of tinkering from a financial perspective. And I appreciate Sean's input because he did come from way back and now sits with the #4 budget in the league. I was just commenting on what I had heard from some "insiders" about when they believe the game gets beyond the point of return for some franchises. And actually having a look at my budget compared to LAD (and others at the tip).
I am also a huge believer in not messing a whole lot with the game settings, because you can easily go far too far and spoil a good thing. About the only thing I believe in outside the game is contract "house rules" and I think they sit in a good spot at the moment and really hope the game itself tightens to the point where NOTHING is needed outside the game itself for a great online league atmosphere.
I will keep pounding away at trying to generate some excitement in Montreal.
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Post by Wilson_DodgersGM on Dec 12, 2017 19:14:10 GMT -5
This is may be the weirdest suggestion so far but if a team is past the point of being able to dig themselves out, what if the franchise moved? Would start out with more fan interest and hypothetically thr new city would be a bigger market.
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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on Dec 12, 2017 19:29:12 GMT -5
This is may be the weirdest suggestion so far but if a team is past the point of being able to dig themselves out, what if the franchise moved? Would start out with more fan interest and hypothetically thr new city would be a bigger market. What big markets are there out there to move to? I also don't think new franchises start with very high fan interest. I believe in another league I was in the fan interest actually dropped slightly when a struggling franchise moved to another city
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Post by Wilson_DodgersGM on Dec 12, 2017 19:46:10 GMT -5
This is may be the weirdest suggestion so far but if a team is past the point of being able to dig themselves out, what if the franchise moved? Would start out with more fan interest and hypothetically thr new city would be a bigger market. What big markets are there out there to move to? I also don't think new franchises start with very high fan interest. I believe in another league I was in the fan interest actually dropped slightly when a struggling franchise moved to another city Mexico City?
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Post by Commish_Ron on Dec 12, 2017 19:47:35 GMT -5
Beijing?
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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on Dec 12, 2017 19:58:10 GMT -5
What big markets are there out there to move to? I also don't think new franchises start with very high fan interest. I believe in another league I was in the fan interest actually dropped slightly when a struggling franchise moved to another city Mexico City? Hmmmm the Mexico City Warhounds,,,,,,has a nice ring to it
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Post by Luc_AZdbacks on Dec 12, 2017 21:16:48 GMT -5
This is an interesting discussion.. I think that it's also important to remember that IRL, there is a huge disparity in budgets. See 25 man payrolls here www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/2017/I appreciate that I have an "average" market size and a financially generous owner, but after our budget got slashed to $78,000,000 4 years ago, we're now up to a budget of $134,000,000,000 after lowering ticket prices, cutting salary and turning some big profits. Not saying that it will be able to be done in Montreal, but I think that for most teams, the ability to increase budget is a possibility. I don't mind taking some action to address inequality, however I would prefer to take baby steps when doing this as to not completely wreck the finances of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 6:57:00 GMT -5
Hard. Cap.
I'm not one that loves to worry about the financial minutia of the game. The idea of a set number that people can't go over has worked in many leagues, but obviously is a stark contrast to this one. Not better or worse, just different.
Knowing that I don't have a great financial future is the single reason why I haven't pushed harder to be competitive sooner. I'm trying to time things out perfectly so they my contracts of top players all explode at the same time (If they reach peak). Take a couple of good runs, then see where we are moneywise, and assess from there.
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Post by Arizona_PBL on Dec 13, 2017 8:12:02 GMT -5
Hard. Cap. I'm not one that loves to worry about the financial minutia of the game. The idea of a set number that people can't go over has worked in many leagues, but obviously is a stark contrast to this one. Not better or worse, just different. Knowing that I don't have a great financial future is the single reason why I haven't pushed harder to be competitive sooner. I'm trying to time things out perfectly so they my contracts of top players all explode at the same time (If they reach peak). Take a couple of good runs, then see where we are moneywise, and assess from there. Not singling out Ricky because other teams have also purposely tanked, but this is also a concern for the league. So here is another idea to float out; make the lottery EQUAL changes for the bottom 10 rather than the current weighted lottery. As for new GM who are taking over a bad team, give them some comp picks to help. I also want to keep pushing the stadium seating increase. This in itself will have a huge impact to the smaller market teams. Lastly, for luxury tax, i think we should increase each year at a a rate of 10% until we get to say 50%. This should allow teams to adjust accordingly.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Dec 13, 2017 10:33:40 GMT -5
Just as a discussion point, how would adjusting stadium capacities help only struggling franchises?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 10:49:01 GMT -5
And no matter how you set the lottery, my team needed a big infusion of young talent, and there was 0 chance of winning in the meantime.
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Dec 13, 2017 11:20:02 GMT -5
Here's my big issue with caps and helping teams by flooding them with revenue.
That is further incentivizing tanking. Guess what? You chose to tank and your fans and owner don't like it. It's not the rest of the league's problem that you decided to do that.
I also see a lot of GM's that come and go, expecting to be able to become a playoff team in a year or two. That doesn't happen and they leave. New GM comes in, with bad contracts and no prospects...the cycle continues.
If I ever win a PBL title (I know big if), I've debated taking one of these teams people complain about just to show it can be done again. David did it with the Angels, many others have done it as well.
Our Commish Ron has dealt with a very cost controlling owner in SD throughout his tenure in the PBL and had SD built as one of the top teams in the PBL. He tried a new team but saw his old SD organization and everything he built get destroyed by a new GM that "wanted to make their mark" on it.
Yes, having money helps cover up mistakes and teams with higher budgets can make more mistakes than a small budget team. That being said, that is baseball.
It's my opinion that many GM's in real life and the PBL see the success of teams like the Cubs and Astros. They believe the 5 year tank will produce similar results to what the Astros and Cubs did. The problem with this theory is that those two teams tanked before a lot of other teams tried to copy what they were doing. They were ahead of the curve. Tanking isn't as effective when 15 teams are doing it vs 5.
This game and in general MLB allows teams to build in the way that they prefer, rather than forcing a method that all teams must follow. When you institute a cap, it would ruin free agency in this league. The player salary demands aren't going to go down, so you're effectively going to have free agents that cannot be signed because no one has the cap space. Is that good for the PBL? I don't think so.
Many baseball fans criticize the real life Marlins and how they develop or sign players. Many criticize when they dump a lot of players to acquire prospects, but then don't give them credit for winning two WS while many teams haven't even gotten to the WS. They do this because of their market. Even when they are competitive they don't sell out. At least when you win in the PBL, fans go to your games and you can increase your budget.
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Dec 13, 2017 11:22:23 GMT -5
Just as a discussion point, how would adjusting stadium capacities help only struggling franchises? I don't believe it would change much actually. I think it would actually help the large budget teams more. I'm curious, how many small market clubs are sold out at $40 per ticket? I've been working toward that $40 mark in Cincinnati since I started in this league but I'm not there yet. I'm close but not there. Despite that, I've been able to increase my budget significantly.
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