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Post by MetDaMeats on Feb 1, 2016 12:54:06 GMT -5
John Evans has agreed to a 6 year, 30.6 Million dollar deal with starting pitcher John Evans, recently poached from the woeful Oakland Athletics. Said Evans, "Well, I considered what life would be like while stuck with Oakland, and once I had visualized a fate worse than death I found it easy to join the Rockies long-term."
Contract Details: 2038: 4.6 mil 2039: 5 mil 2040: 5 mil 2041: 5 mil 2042: 5 mil 2043: 6 mil team option with 1.5 mil buyout.
Pitcher Award Bonus: 380k.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Feb 1, 2016 13:10:43 GMT -5
Thats... EXTREMELY team friendly.
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Post by MetDaMeats on Feb 1, 2016 14:55:01 GMT -5
I completely agree. More to the point, John would NEVER have traded him to me if he thought he could get this contract. This is one of the reasons I advocated for keeping Zevin. Because if the best of our contracts are just going to get neutralized we may as well just send them to Zevin in the first place.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Feb 1, 2016 15:08:19 GMT -5
Is this deal what he asked for in game? Or did you work it down some?
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Post by AstrosGM_Shane on Feb 1, 2016 15:09:17 GMT -5
This is a great first example. I was actually against zevin. How do we do this though because I know I have some contracts I want to extend but 1 of them may leans towards team friendly. I also think zevin increasing the free agent pool because gms couldn't meet his demands actually backfired on a lot of players because gms realized they could sign them for a lot cheaper in free agency. What's the honor code? Should we put in place at least some rules for extensions? Length of contract? Anything? I'm asking because I know players love playing for Pittsburgh and I want to know how to approach these extensions without getting lashed.
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Post by MetDaMeats on Feb 1, 2016 15:19:00 GMT -5
This is almost exactly the deal asked for in game. I met his demand with one slight adjustment of the final year. I made it a team option instead of a player option.
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Post by AstrosGM_Shane on Feb 1, 2016 15:28:58 GMT -5
I'm not questioning the contract. I'm actually selfishly asking what and if there are any rules and if we should have any before we get further into it.
Like a limit on years maybe. And we shouldn't backtrack but from here on out what could we do?
Because I know once I sign an extension if its considered team friendly it will be a problem.
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Feb 1, 2016 15:32:03 GMT -5
This is why part of the ruling of a zevin break was to intervene.
I knew John Evans contract was going to be the one too because what the game was asking for.
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Feb 1, 2016 15:33:20 GMT -5
I really really REALLY hope this aspect of the game is going to be better in OOTP 17...
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Post by MetDaMeats on Feb 1, 2016 15:45:21 GMT -5
Yeah. I knew this would be happening too. My thought is that if we're going to live without Zevin that maybe we make a contract thread, or re-purpose this one, to list the demands of the players before an offer is made. If they are deemed unreasonably low someone could post (like we have with this one) and get them sent to Zevin. This would require a little bit of trust on behalf of everyone not to flag anyone out of spite, but not that much.
If the demands aren't flagged by anyone in a day or some other pre-determined time, we could get a CONFIRMED from the commish and then start the process of negotiating in the game. The final deal might be a bit lower than the initial demand, but probably not enough to be a problem.
Maybe this would streamline the speed with which Zevin can handle things too, since he wouldn't be receiving every single contract.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 17:01:30 GMT -5
I'm interested in what everyone thinks he should have signed for? I agree this is a team friendly deal and should be adjusted but to what extent? The guy came off of mediocre year and his greed is low.
I just signed Beard for ~11M per over four years. I would rather have a player like Evans who is younger with better ratings but he's not my player to negotiate with. Frankly I didn't want to resign Beard at all but my owner likes him so I'll try make the man with the money happy!
I like Zevin but until the AI is Zevin its hard to deal with the downsides of him. In my opinion its to hard to manage a team trying to negotiate deals that take some serious out of game time to complete.....especially in the off-season! How are you supposed to adjust finances and offer FA's contracts when you don't know exactly what your own players are going to be asking for?
Maybe we should dedicate a thread for extensions and maybe we should create a poll to decide the yearly salary of the individual player. The only thing I ask that it is done swiftly so the acting GM can make a long-term plan of what he wants his team to look like. I also don't think it needs to be done with every extension either....just ones that seem way off base. I could care less if a team signed a utility player for 2M/5yr just because you think you would have offered more....well he's not a part of your organization so sorry!
Anyways if you want my opinion I think Evans should have been offered somewhere in the area of ~12 per year at 5-7 years. He might be worth more to most GM's but to me he's not a FA and like I said he's coming off of a down year with a low greed factor.
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Post by AstrosGM_Shane on Feb 1, 2016 17:35:40 GMT -5
Some good ideas too in there.
Side note. His team option buyout has to be 50% since it is 4 years or over
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Post by Dustin Ackley on Feb 1, 2016 18:07:30 GMT -5
Some good ideas too in there. Side note. His team option buyout has to be 50% since it is 4 years or over Again, I still dont remember that discussion. I have no idea how that got put into the rules....
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Feb 1, 2016 18:48:06 GMT -5
I will be very candid and share some of the information Fin did and sent to me in our discussions on John Evans when reached out for an extension:
The numbers above [ Oakland is offering 5-years at $7.5m per] seem light to me too man. In the very least, he is a comp for Angels SP Zach Porter. Porter signed a 6 year, $116,000,000 deal in 2035 for an AAV average of $19+ M per season.
Porter's pitch ratings are 9/8/6. Evans is a 9/7/6. Porter has a 7 stamina, the same as Evans. Porter throws 96-98mph, Evans is 95-97mph. Porter's pitches rate 8/8/10. Evans's pitches rate 9/8/9/7. Porter is a right-hander. Evans is a lefty. Porter has a career ERA+ of 117. Evans in his career is a 111 career ERA+ pitcher. Porter has a career WAR of 23.3. Evans is 8.4. Porter has a career 3.39 ERA. Evans is 3.75.
I think it is safe to assume that while Evans shouldn't earn $19M per season, it is definitely reasonable he can earn $13-$15M AAV per season and fit into the middle tier of good starting pitchers in the PBL.
One other thing. In-game, i filtered all starting pitchers with at least 9/7/6 ratings. That is how i found Porter. The average salary of those 8 starting pitchers who have had at least one arbitration hearing is $22.3M. Again, I don't think Evans is quite in this stratosphere, but he is definitely better than what Oakland thinks his value is.
Above is how the thought process of player evaluation is started most often and then we work from there and I think Fin nailed his assessment on ability versus production and I do think the fair market value would be in that $13-15m range through extension. If he were to hit the FA market in a buyers market then it would of been higher but this just seems right.
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Post by MetDaMeats on Feb 1, 2016 21:05:11 GMT -5
I buy all these arguments, and in fact, these numbers were really the only reason John was willing to trade Evans to me s relatively cheaply. In any event, I'd feel more comfortable if there was a more formal way of figuring out who gets sent for a Zevin review and who doesn't.
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