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Post by David_ExposGM on Jan 4, 2017 19:42:34 GMT -5
As a Blue Jays fan, I'm not at all excited by this because it just means the price went way up! But as a proponent of maximizing player value in OOTP, I am extremely intrigued by the announcement at the link today. Sanchez to BorasI started this new thread because I did not want to re-open the wounds of trying to prove the point that players should not be signed before their value has been maximized in the game, which IMHO means either walking them through arbitration annually and then waiting for the bulk of their last season under an arb contract before signing them long-term. OR anticipating the ultimate value of a player and maximizing the return even when buying out arb years (which I still respectfully maintain the game does oh so poorly). Agents should shoot for the moon if you want to buy out any of the years in which a players value is most likely to increase! In-game or IRL. I have often named Scott Boras as the "evil empire agent" who maximizes value the best, sometimes a little too creatively (almost looking like some wild online league concoction of a contract - cough, STRASBURG, cough - but he gets the job done for his clients. I would have been anyway, but now really will be following the career of young Sanchez. Again, sucks for the Jays, but will be an interesting case study! I do hope the people at OOTP are as excited about this as I am?
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Post by David_ExposGM on Jan 4, 2017 19:44:25 GMT -5
By the way, I should add that I truly believe PBL is one of the best leagues presently at legitimately maximizing player value. A couple of "tweaks" (*hehe) and it will stand head and shoulders above any other!!! And, I am not holding my breathe. Yet!
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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on Jan 4, 2017 20:01:19 GMT -5
I wonder if player agents might be a future enhancement in OOTP. I remember a football game for XBox maybe 6 or so years ago that had agents and your negotiations with a player and his agent would effect your relationships with any other players that agent represented. It is a cool concept but I fear if that was added, next would come collective bargaining and strikes.
Maybe you can make a game too realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 20:11:11 GMT -5
I wonder if player agents might be a future enhancement in OOTP. I remember a football game for XBox maybe 6 or so years ago that had agents and your negotiations with a player and his agent would effect your relationships with any other players that agent represented. It is a cool concept but I fear if that was added, next would come collective bargaining and strikes. Maybe you can make a game too realistic. Was it NFL Head Coach? I seem to recall a feature like that as well.
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Post by Mac_Yankees GM on Jan 4, 2017 20:14:53 GMT -5
I wonder if player agents might be a future enhancement in OOTP. I remember a football game for XBox maybe 6 or so years ago that had agents and your negotiations with a player and his agent would effect your relationships with any other players that agent represented. It is a cool concept but I fear if that was added, next would come collective bargaining and strikes. Maybe you can make a game too realistic. Was it NFL Head Coach? I seem to recall a feature like that as well. Yes !!!! I couldn't remember the name. Talk about a game that was too detailed. I never actually got past the preseason.
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Post by Sean_RedsGM on Jan 4, 2017 20:28:40 GMT -5
By the way, I should add that I truly believe PBL is one of the best leagues presently at legitimately maximizing player value. A couple of "tweaks" (*hehe) and it will stand head and shoulders above any other!!! And, I am not holding my breathe. Yet!
Based on the free agent demands in OOTP 17, I don't think the players are hurting very much.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Jan 4, 2017 20:34:56 GMT -5
Honestly I think the mechanics of OOTP are there already, with the contract page and the negotiation back and forth. AND I believe things are far better than they used to be. I would suggest that if they can tweak the AI to be a little more "Borassian" (look, I invented a word) and add to the dialogue already in the game, negotiating with the player will be solid.
No need, again my opinion, to introduce another complication that would likely need further work and possibly break something in the process. Just get an agent (Boras is likely above it, but another might) into the development chain!
By the way LOVED Head Coach . Wrote a lengthy "dynasty piece" about the Raidas using Jamarcus Russell, but found it a little tedious to navigate (PS3 ver) and HATED the fact that literally everything was scripted. Once you know the few superstar players.......boring! If they reinvented it, with random player personalities each time you started a game........AWESOMENESS!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 20:45:03 GMT -5
Honestly I think the mechanics of OOTP are there already, with the contract page and the negotiation back and forth. AND I believe things are far better than they used to be. I would suggest that if they can tweak the AI to be a little more "Borassian" ( look, I invented a word) and add to the dialogue already in the game, negotiating with the player will be solid. No need, again my opinion, to introduce another complication that would likely need further work and possibly break something in the process. Just get an agent (Boras is likely above it, but another might) into the development chain! By the way LOVED Head Coach . Wrote a lengthy "dynasty piece" about the Raidas using Jamarcus Russell, but found it a little tedious to navigate (PS3 ver) and HATED the fact that literally everything was scripted. Once you know the few superstar players.......boring! If they reinvented it, with random player personalities each time you started a game........AWESOMENESS! Are all aware that the makers of OOTP are making a football version call Beyond The Sideline Football? www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/beyond-sideline-football/
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Post by Texas Rangers on Jan 4, 2017 22:34:18 GMT -5
Honestly I think the mechanics of OOTP are there already, with the contract page and the negotiation back and forth. AND I believe things are far better than they used to be. I would suggest that if they can tweak the AI to be a little more "Borassian" ( look, I invented a word) and add to the dialogue already in the game, negotiating with the player will be solid. No need, again my opinion, to introduce another complication that would likely need further work and possibly break something in the process. Just get an agent (Boras is likely above it, but another might) into the development chain! By the way LOVED Head Coach . Wrote a lengthy "dynasty piece" about the Raidas using Jamarcus Russell, but found it a little tedious to navigate (PS3 ver) and HATED the fact that literally everything was scripted. Once you know the few superstar players.......boring! If they reinvented it, with random player personalities each time you started a game........AWESOMENESS! Are all aware that the makers of OOTP are making a football version call Beyond The Sideline Football? www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/beyond-sideline-football/Oh no. I just need to hope it takes a few years to work out the kinks because I don't have time to become obsessed with this. A truly awesome football sim would be nearly as awesome as OOTP
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Post by Sean..Mariners GM on Jan 5, 2017 2:52:53 GMT -5
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Post by earlweaver on Jan 5, 2017 10:20:23 GMT -5
Front office football is the standard text sim for football. No real bells and whistles, but easily the best and deepest football sim there is. OOTP's edition will probably look nice, but like the new hockey sim, i wouldnt expect a whole lot out of it for a few years.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Jan 5, 2017 10:45:03 GMT -5
And doubtful about online (again, like the hockey) for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 21:20:09 GMT -5
As a beta tester for BTS, I can say don't hold you breath for that release date. I hate to derail this topic but NFL Head Coach, specially the 2nd one, was a great management game for a console, there are some things OOTP can take from there. It might be hard, but I enjoyed getting periodic updates throughout the season as to how potential draftees were doing, basically a lot more information about upcoming draft classes than we get currently.
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Post by David_ExposGM on Jan 13, 2017 22:20:59 GMT -5
As a beta tester for BTS, I can say don't hold you breath for that release date. I hate to derail this topic but NFL Head Coach, specially the 2nd one, was a great management game for a console, there are some things OOTP can take from there. It might be hard, but I enjoyed getting periodic updates throughout the season as to how potential draftees were doing, basically a lot more information about upcoming draft classes than we get currently. Loved Head Coach, but I think some of the depth was also because of the predetermined draft "classes". Therefore they could probably assign teams to write very specific things about players they knew were part of the draft. With a game like OOTP (or frankly any other game) with the capacity for randomly generated fictional players the information has to be much more general and probably not as plentiful. Had Head Coach not had the set classes I think it most certainly would have been different, not necessarily worse, but different. And I would have spent far more time with it! But agreed they could learn some stuff from that game!
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Post by Derek _ Red Sox on Jan 14, 2017 8:07:11 GMT -5
I am dying for the day of a great football sim game (that can be played on a Mac). FOF gets my attention but I don't think it's for a Mac. I remember back in the day a game called "Total Control Football" which had Bill Cowher and Greg Lloyd on the cover and it to me was amazing (besides the random crashes and freezing) but it was almost a sim game like today (far less detailed) meets the sims. You would walk into your office and see an empty trophy case, you picked up the phone to call GMs, looked at actual X-Rays in the injury room while seeing why a player was hurt, etc.
Just fun shit and I really miss football sims! I love baseball but football is my true love and if a game ever comes out and is stable enough then you all know you got a Commissioner in me.
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